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    Pentax 645 vs. Pentax 67

    I con;t know if this subject has been discussed here before but I would like to know if there is a preference for either amongst APUGers and why?. I currently have a Pentax 645 kit but I find that I'm not using it very much these days and was looking at the 67. I've rented the 67 many years ago and found it to be a tank of a camera BUT I found it very convenient to use especially having only one battery to worry about. Is the battery for the 67 readily available ?.

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    I have both so I can say a few things. I would say they both are more studio cameras than on location cameras, but they work there as well if you don't mind the size and weight. I just recently bought the 645 - it can be used "out of the studio" much more easily. The 67 is much more bulky. It isn't the weight so much for me as the size of everything. Not to say that the weight of the 67 isn't substantial when you carry around a few lenses with it - if you just carry say the body with a lens and a second lens, it isn't bad at all to carry around. The grip on the 645 really makes it easy to handle in comparison. They both have nice lenses as you know. I have an adapter that allows me to use the 67 lenses on the 645 body so I only know the 75mm 645 lens which seems very fine to me. As to batteries, the 67 takes an easy to obtain 544. I imagine others will chime in about the relative merits of 645 v 67 film size. I like them both for some reason and think I will use the 645 more in the field per se.

    What is your opinion of the lenses that you have for the 645? I think I might like to add at least a wide or maybe a tele? Are there any accessories for the 645 that you think are essential?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spoolman View Post
    I con;t know if this subject has been discussed here before but I would like to know if there is a preference for either amongst APUGers and why?. I currently have a Pentax 645 kit but I find that I'm not using it very much these days and was looking at the 67. I've rented the 67 many years ago and found it to be a tank of a camera BUT I found it very convenient to use especially having only one battery to worry about. Is the battery for the 67 readily available ?.

    All opinions are welcome.

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    First, LR44 6v batteries are widely available(e.g, Shoppers and Staples carry them along with some Loblaws). Next comes what you're planning on shooting. 645 SLRs like the Pentax/Mamiya/Bronica are very portable and great all-round MF system cameras. I loved the Pentax 67 I had for studio work but not for much of anything else. It wasn't so much size and bulk that soured me as the lack of film backs and the awkward weight shift on a tripod between portrait/landscape orientation. I'm OK with lugging around a Mamiya RB67 Pro S since it gets around these problems.

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    Pentax 645 vs Pentax 67

    gkardmw I have the 75 mm prime lens along with the 45 mm wide angle and the 200 mm telephoto and a right angle finder. I use the 645 for field use. I shoot trains, buses, streetcars and subways. I bought all of this along with 120 and 220 inserts from a professional camera store here in T.O. that has since gone out of business. I guess the sales guy saw me coming and figured I would buy just about anything he put in front of me. He was sort of right. I'm just trying to basically cut down on the number of batteries (quantity) rather than different types. Now that I think about it, the one feature that the 645 has that I find useful is the diopter correction in the eyepiece. I'm very satisfied with the quality of the lenses. Thanks to you and CGW for helping me decide. I'll stick with the 645 and I'll stock up on the AA batteries that power the motor drive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CGW View Post
    First, LR44 6v batteries are widely available(e.g, Shoppers and Staples carry them along with some Loblaws). Next comes what you're planning on shooting. 645 SLRs like the Pentax/Mamiya/Bronica are very portable and great all-round MF system cameras. I loved the Pentax 67 I had for studio work but not for much of anything else. It wasn't so much size and bulk that soured me as the lack of film backs and the awkward weight shift on a tripod between portrait/landscape orientation. I'm OK with lugging around a Mamiya RB67 Pro S since it gets around these problems.
    I have the Mamiya 645 Pro so bear in mind I'm not personally familiar with using these cameras. The Mamiya and Pentax look to be similar size in photos but I don't think I've ever seen the Pentax IRL, so maybe someone can chime in about how they compare in size and weight.

    BUT, that said my Mamiya 645 is about the biggest, heaviest camera I'd want to carry around for (relatively) casual use hand held. I expected to have it large replace 35mm but it hasn't. It comes closer now that I have three lenses, but it still makes a considerably bigger, heavier kit than two of my 35mm bodies and two zooms, and on a par with the 35mm kit packed with three bodies, two zooms and a prime. It's a really good camera and I do enjoy using it, but I wouldn't want to carry anything bigger and heavier unless I was going for the purpose of photography and planning to take my tripod and in that case I'd probably take the 4x5.

    Of course I DO have interchangeable film backs on my 645. If I didn't, I'm pretty sure I would have already sold it and bought a system that had them as otherwise I prefer taking my much smaller and much lighter Yashicamat, even if I am stuck with just the fixed lens. But since that's no an option with either of the Pentaxes I take it that's not particularly important to the OP.

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    By the standards of some photogs I am not an extensive user of my 645N in terms of films per month but I have found the 645N to be very economical on batteries and these days in the U.K. at least packs of AA batteries are relatively cheap.

    It is hardly the best camera for high speed sports such as motorcycle racing compared to say a Nikon F5 but for most uses the 645N is a very manageable camera with a wide OP-Tech strap and unless you want to do very large prints the negs are big enough.

    Yes I know that the 645 and 645N are different cameras but hopefully not in terms of ease of use, batteries etc so my experience should be relevant.

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    CGW - Yeah, flipping the 67 into portrait orientation is no fun.

    Spoolman - I bet that right angle finder is a nice addition - I will have to keep an eye open for one.

    I think like CGW that the 645 is more versatile, but I still enjoy the 67 in spite of its minor shortcomings. Can't beat that 105f2.4 lens for 3D effect. And I am still learning about the 645 capabilities (or my capabilities with it).

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    I am a person with small hands and have always had some challenges wrangling large cameras. Over time, I have overcome those challenges with a lot of in-field use e.g. the EOS1N was a daunting prospect all those years ago but now I wrap around it like a glove. The Pentax 67, however, is an entirely different kettle of beans, and big beans at that. I envisaged having a modicum of difficulty, but over time, that difficulty in handling the sheer size and weight has not diminished: it is something you have to keep at it. It's a bloody nuisance to tilt the 67 on its side (portrait) — it just seems to me that it wasn't designed for it! A few novel finders are availabe for the 67: chimney, waist-level, TTL and non-TTL, but other accessories are much more difficult to come across e.g. dioptric correction lenses (rumour has it that diop. lenses for the 645 also fit the 67 /6x7). The battery is believed to last around 10 to 15,000 exposures (obviously less than that with MUP for each exposure). At the end of the day, the image quality and ease of use is what I take it out and bring it back for.
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    I've had both the 67 and 645.I still have the 645,I didn't keep the 67 for too long.You've got to have the wooden handle if you're going to shoot portrait style shots and even at that it's like being at the gym.I don't think I'll ever get rid of my 645's.Just my opinion,the 67 is too cumbersome.

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    Much of what's in my gallery here was shot on a P645N. I have no problem hauling it around in the woods and can shoot it handheld with the 75mm. I haven't used a 67, but I doubt handholding would be an option for me - I have average sized hands for a woman, but am a bit lacking in arm strength. That said, I'd probably just use the tripod more and be happier with the bigger negs in the darkroom.

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