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    Quote Originally Posted by nwilkins View Post
    or an adjusted version if it's not sunny.
    You don't need to adjust if it isn't sunny, it gives settings for all conditions.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    I use sunny 16 as my "anchor" point. When I am working in daylight conditions, I estimate exposure using sunny 16, and then take a meter reading to either confirm it, or refine it.
    I learned sunny 16 more than fifty years ago as a teenager at the same time I learned to judge distance in the days before light meters and range finders were common, and almost do both without thinking , as you write Matt I always take a meter reading, and think about it before setting my exposures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    You don't need to adjust if it isn't sunny, it gives settings for all conditions.


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    I'm sure you know what I mean so I don't understand why you would post this. If it is not sunny I adjust the EV, just like everyone else who uses the rule as a guideline for exposure. I realize that "knowing the sunny F16 rule" also means "knowing overcast F8" but I was just referring to any alteration of EV based on conditions as an adjustment.

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    Thinking further on this, I think the other advantage of using "sunny 16" regularly is that it fits really well in a workflow that pays very close attention to the light itself - and it is the character of the light that makes most of the difference in the photographs I am most happy with.
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    I just ordered a Rolleicord from KEH to give me another option for my frequent business trips. I'm not planning on bringing a meter along, but we'll see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nwilkins View Post
    I'm sure you know what I mean so I don't understand why you would post this.
    No, I didn't understand what you meant. I do now. What you are actually doing is using the sunny sixteen series of exposure values without adjustment.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Steve Smith View Post
    No, I didn't understand what you meant. I do now. What you are actually doing is using the sunny sixteen series of exposure values without adjustment.


    Steve.
    yes you could say that. You could also say I am ADJUSTING the EV I would use on a sunny day. To argue otherwise (as you have been doing) is just pedantics. It is totally irrelevant to the thread to argue over the wording I chose (given that you agree with the method). So again I'm not sure why you would bother posting about this.

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    I've been using my great grandfather's Weston Master for about a year now. When I first got it I compared it to my F3 and to my other unmentionable here camera and it was very close. Even though the dial is in Weston Emulsion speeds, I've enjoyed using it and have gotten used to it, and even "think" and make my notes in its units. I almost always do a "sunny 16 guess" before I meter and I'm usually within one stop and more often than not right on the money. Shady forest or evening is much harder and I'm really not very good at those situations. I almost always think there is more available light than there really is in those situations.

    Well, last week the meter suddenly stopped working... everything reads really low. I shot my last roll in my 120 folder using sunny 16 as a whim, but now it's not going to be by choice until I get a new meter or fix this one. Honestly, I'd be happier if my meter was still working. It has real sentimental value too... there's a sort of continuity to using a meter that was given to my dad by his grandfather.

    But I'm certainly not planning to stop just because I don't have a meter. I never had one when I was a teenager, and even though I worried about exposure a lot back then, most of my photos came out OK.

    The difference between then and now is that now I can actually afford to buy a meter if I want one. So I'll just be grateful for that option and keep on having fun!
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    Quote Originally Posted by nwilkins View Post
    So again I'm not sure why you would bother posting about this.
    Because some people do use an adjusted version. You often see people write something like "It's more like sunny f11 where I live".

    In which case, their version gives a stop more EV throughout the range to compensate for a lower light level in e.g. the very northern or southern areas.


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    Why am I reminded of the Zen/Taoist story "Three in the Morning, Four in the Evening"? LOL!

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    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.



 

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