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    Rolleicord Vb lens ghosting

    I own a nice Rolleicord Vb with xenar lens. I usually use also a yellow filter and and an original lens hood when shooting outside. However quite often the images show ghosts if the sky is bright even if I'm not shooting against the sun. Is it normal? The lens shows few dust inside. From what I know the xenar should be (single) coated.

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    Are you sure it is winding on correctly?

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    Why?

    Think so. However, sorry, but maybe I didn't understand correctly your question. How should lens ghosting be related to winding?
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    Are you sure it is winding on correctly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by aferrarini View Post
    Think so. However, sorry, but maybe I didn't understand correctly your question. How should lens ghosting be related to winding?
    I just wondered if this is related to double exposure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henry finley View Post
    What you need to do is check your lens more thoroughly by a better method. I bet a nickle you're going to see interior haze inside between the elements, perhaps between the 2 cemented elements of the tessar-type lens you have. Get an ordinary table lamp with the ordinary lampshade that has the white paper interior. Get your lens in close proximity to the bulb (within a foot or less), and seek to turn the camera in a manner that sets up a flare situation inside the lens. You may need to turn it some unknown direction to be sighting against the white lampshade interior or the bulb, or both, until you see it. This is the harshest test I've ever concocted to check for interior haze. Even better, get a 50mm lens from a 35, turned around backwards in your hand for a close inspection while you do this. I'll bet a nickel that Rollei lens is hazed inside. They ALL are. A vast majority of those Rollei lenses are hopeless, which is a shame.
    Mmm that's quite bad. I got a look with a lamp as you suggested. What I could see is not really an "haze" but the lens is much dirtier than I could recognize before. But maybe I'm not able to recognize the "haze" you are speaking about. Do you think sending it to a repairman would help reducing the problem or should I just live with it? I would like anyway to continue using the camera. Apart from the frames in which the ghosts appear the images look quite good with good contrast and resolution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    I just wondered if this is related to double exposure.
    I would exclude that. I think is more something related to the lens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by henry finley View Post
    So it WAS pretty bad, as I had suspected. To answer that, my answer is rather harsh--that is you OBVIOUSLY are not happy, so something needs to be done. I am a "self-certified" Rollei man, who has no business fooling with somebody elses'. So I'm afraid you're going to have to find a good man to get this problem remedied. And if it is between the cemented elements, then you'll need to dig very deep in the wallet. I hate this for you. The VB was possibly Rollei's best camera from a compactness versus performance standpoint. If you decide to take on the project yourself, you stand a HUGE chance of de-valuing your VB severely. One chewed-up screw slot from a bad fitting screwdriver and that VB will be nothing but another ruined collector's piece.
    The camera came with a 1 year warranty from the shop where I bought it used and I still have 5 months. I'll ask them if they can send it to repair or maybe I could upgrade to a rolleiflex or exchange to another rolleicord. I would prefer however to keep the Vb as I like its simplicity and low weight.

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    if it is under warranty then by all means, send it in with sample photos to show the problem -- you don't say precisely what you mean by ghosting, but double images of any sort shouldn't be showing up and can mean a bad misallignment of the lenses or lens separation -- a lens problem of that magnitude will cost more to repair than it would cost to just replace the camera.

    which, if i were you, i would ask the seller to do. The Vb is a lovely camera, although if you like it you could also look at a Va, which is the same thing except it lacks the removable hood and costs less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by summicron1 View Post
    if it is under warranty then by all means, send it in with sample photos to show the problem -- you don't say precisely what you mean by ghosting, but double images of any sort shouldn't be showing up and can mean a bad misallignment of the lenses or lens separation -- a lens problem of that magnitude will cost more to repair than it would cost to just replace the camera.

    which, if i were you, i would ask the seller to do. The Vb is a lovely camera, although if you like it you could also look at a Va, which is the same thing except it lacks the removable hood and costs less.
    What I meant with "ghosts" is that in photographs with bright sky some (almost) round darker spots appear in the sky portion of the photo. I thought it was due to the fact the coating is not as good as in newer lenses but what puzzled me is that it happens also when not light source is present in the shot. I always use a lens hood.

    Anyway, I'll speak with the shop owner and see what can be done. Just checked and they have another Vb available and some rolleiflex (but they are way toooo expensive).

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    Quote Originally Posted by henry finley View Post
    Mr Aferrarini--Please know I did not want to come off a big know-it-all, too much. I've found there's other guys smarter than me about these things. So keep waiting--a good Rollei man on here might answer you with better answers than mine. I gave up on the Rolleis--too rare to find a virgin one, and owning them is too much of a responsibility. You become an unpaid one-man museum curator. The Hasselblads are a dime a dozen, perform well, are well-made, and a CM is about as compact as a Rollei. And, I've gotten pretty good of working on them. I'd rather have 2 parts Hasselblads off EBAY to make 1 out of, and I'm happy. Just food for thought.
    Thanks Henry for sharing your thoughts!
    Maybe one day I'll buy an Hasselblad but for the moment I've already accumulated too much stuff (2 35mm nikon bodies + a bunch of primes, 1 dslr, 1 mirrorless, the rolley plus some point & shoot) and I need to settle down on what I have and concentrate on photographs...

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