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    This is better than a rolleicord. I've got one and wouldn't mind another, but they are selling for big $ on ebay. Keep it and get it working right.

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    Service overdue

    Quote Originally Posted by rich815 View Post
    If the parts are overly worn or any evidence or rust, or if the lens is scratched or has fungus sell it for whatever you can get with an accurate description. If not send it to a GOOD Rollei tech and get a complete overhaul done. Treated right after that and you'll have an awesome camera for years. And trust me on this (from one who speaks from direct experience) do NOT skimp on who does the CLA, get it done by a Rollei specialist. More $? Yes. Better deal in the medium to long run? Absolutely.
    Good advice on the "who" does the CLA. I had my 3.5 F CLA'ed about 5 years ago by Bill Maxwell (Maxwell Precision Products) in the Atlanta area. Bill also has a line of replacement focusing screens that you might want to upgrade to at the same time. I didn't have a focus issue like you are having but I recall Bill verified the taking lens focus with the viewing lens as part of his service package. Bill and Harry Fleenor (did I spell that correctly) on the W Coast are apparently buddies, if that says anything professionally.

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    The plot thickens. I've been speaking with some repairmen, and the other issue mention regarding possible focusing issues is if the lens elements were swapped out with a different 'flex at some point by a previous user or repairman.

    Sure enough, a quick serial number check reveals my Rollei, No. 1219317, is a MX with 75mm Tessar-- however that model number should have a Tessar Jena lens. My example has an Opton Tessar. Perhaps I'm incorrect, but I assume the serial numbers don't lie, and that there shouln't be any No. 12XXXXX models with anything other than a Jena on them.

    Does any body have any experience our thoughts on this issue? Am I (as I fear) starting to enter lost-cause territory here?

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    Those serial number guides aren't always accurate. They usually are accurate but not always.

    For example, I have a Rolleicord that is part of a batch that should have a Schneider-Kreuznach Xenar, when in fact it has a Carl Zeiss Jena Triotar.

    What is more important is that the serial number on the front of the lens should match the number on the rear element.

    It usually is engraved on the lens barrel, so you normally cannot see it. If you have mismatched elements, that definitely could be the culprit to a soft photo.

    If the camera is a bit beat, it's always possible that the camera might have been dropped at some point, knocking the lens out of alignment. With beaters, it's just so hard to say what might have happened to them in the past.

    I hope you are able to get the issues resolved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jspillane View Post
    This would actually explain something I noticed exactly. I was doing a tripod shot of a group, with myself in the middle holding a shutter release. I framed and focused, then stepped in and took it. In the final image, I am sharp but the rest of the group is soft-- and I was standing a little bit in front due to the length of the cable. Is a lens alignment adjustment something that would generally be separate from a CLA? I'll start contacting repairmen in my area.



    I love them both and wouldn't want to give up either, ideally. I don't much like the Rolleiflex on a tripod and I find the normal focal length slightly restrictive, which was what led me to pick up a SLR + 120mm. I find it much more satisfying for detailed work (portraits, macro, etc.) but obviously far worse as a walk-around or travel camera.
    May I suggest you check the alignment of the viewing and taking lenses in the first instance? It's possible the composition of the lens elements has been tampered with, however the focus discrepancy you described in the group photo could be very easily explained by the likelihood the viewing and taking lenses are not tracking together. In which case, you may have obtained a sharp image of the faces on the viewfinder screen, however if the viewing lens is a little off the true focus of the taking lens, the actual point of focus on the film will be slightly different. I mentioned this recently in my first post at APUG here and provide detailed instructions for dialling in the two lenses of a Rollei to achieve accurate focus.

    It is of course also possible there is a focus misalignment due to the parallelism of the lens board to the camera film plane being out of factory specification. This is 0.05mm across diagonal corners, and is fiddly and time consuming to set back to spec unless you have some particular equipment to make the process faster and easier. If this was the case, you may (or may not) be able to notice that objects in the image at the same distance from the camera are variable in sharpness across the frame (Eg. one side sharper than the other). Hope this assists.
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    Get 2nd Opinion.........

    Quote Originally Posted by jspillane View Post

    Does any body have any experience our thoughts on this issue? Am I (as I fear) starting to enter lost-cause territory here?
    I think you have basically 2 options:

    1- Get Hasselblad 80mm lens and go with a SLR kit.

    2- Send the Rollei to a repair facility, with the first question being the focus issue. A competent repair tech can probably quickly determine if the focus issue is terminal. The CLA is a given at this point, related to $s, it is more a case of can the focus issue be resolved.

    The cost of the repairs/CLA for the Rollei probably are equal to the lens purchase, and if you go the CLA route with the Rollei you should do yourself the favor of upgrading the focus screen, so likely all-in more than buying the 80mm. It may come down to your desire to continue with the TLR experience vs. the SLR. I own both a TLR and SLR (SLX) Rollei, they are a totally different shooting experience in practice.

    Good Luck!

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    @FLGuy

    That is essentially what I am pondering now. I've spoken to a few technicians, and while I don't have concrete info until I take the camera in somewhere, it sounds like it is unlikely to be a terminal problem. However, the cost of the full CLA + new mirror + new screen is making me wonder if I'm in the financial position to meaningfully support two medium format systems. I love the Rolleiflex, but I don't think I can choose it over the Hasselblad, if only for reasons of versatility. I almost wish I hadn't recently come into the 'blad, just so the decision to go all in on the Rolleiflex wouldn't be so hard!

    I'll spend the weekend hand-holding the Hasselblad and continue to explore the repair options for the Rolleiflex. The idea of seeing it restored and functioning perfectly is very appealing... I suspect I will end up shelving it for a month or two and setting aside the funds, because it would be sad to see it go.

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    Aging Camera, kinda like Aging Relatives................

    Quote Originally Posted by jspillane View Post
    @FLGuy

    However, the cost of the full CLA + new mirror + new screen is making me wonder if I'm in the financial position to meaningfully support two medium format systems. I love the Rolleiflex, but I don't think I can choose it over the Hasselblad, if only for reasons of versatility. I almost wish I hadn't recently come into the 'blad, just so the decision to go all in on the Rolleiflex wouldn't be so hard!
    There are similarities between the "aging" process for both cameras and people, how do you keep them vital and relevant as they age. In your financial analysis, think of what you might sink into the Rollei as a pre-payment on another 40 years of usage. Right now it is probably 60 years or so old, so the CLA and repairs are like a visit to the "fountain of Youth" for the Rollei.

    You do have some decisions and choices, and your choice of the "Blad in the first place had merit, but the Rollei has cornered you into a financial balancing act of "what to do?".

    Decisions, decisions................

    FL Guy

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