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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    RZ67 Pro was introduced in 1982.

    The RB67 Pro-SD was introduced 8 years later in 1990 - it replaced the RB67 Pro-S which had been current for 17 years.

    The RZ series may very well have been intended to eventually replace the RB series, but not immediately.

    With the RZ series you lost functionality in some areas, while gaining in others. It certainly didn't make the RB series equipment second class.
    very interesting ! Didn't know these data. But why didn't they made it interchangeable to the RZ ?? So can I use my RZ lenses/backs/viewfinders on a RB body ? I would love to have a full mechanical body next to the RZ ! At KEH there is a Pro SD Ex+ for $139,00 !!!

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    The RZ lenses have electronic shutters that are controlled from the camera body. That is a plus, but makes it impossible to use them on a body that lacks that electronic control.

    And at least some of the finders interface with that electronic control.
    Matt

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    Quote Originally Posted by k.hendrik View Post
    But why didn't they made it interchangeable to the RZ ?? So can I use my RZ lenses/backs/viewfinders on a RB body ? I would love to have a full mechanical body next to the RZ ! At KEH there is a Pro SD Ex+ for $139,00 !!!
    No you can only use the RB backs and lenses on your RZ the RB backs will fit on Mamiya press cameras as well.

    You need the big compatibility chart.

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    The RZ67 was designed to replace the RB from the get go. No doubt whatsoever. It was only later that they finally realized people were going to keep buying the RB (for whatever reasons) and decided to keep making them. I am sure they would have preferred to not bother, probably. But the money was too good, I'd guess.

    What functionality was lost? None that I can think of. Everything was/is a gain - which is why it was designed as a replacement. the RZ is a superb system, and especially these days with the crazy cheap prices, no reason not to choose it over the RB. RZ lenses are actually cheaper in many cases than RB lenses (more of them available, the APOs for example).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MattKing View Post
    RZ67 Pro was introduced in 1982.

    The RB67 Pro-SD was introduced 8 years later in 1990 - it replaced the RB67 Pro-S which had been current for 17 years.

    The RZ series may very well have been intended to eventually replace the RB series, but not immediately.

    With the RZ series you lost functionality in some areas, while gaining in others. It certainly didn't make the RB series equipment second class.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EdSawyer View Post
    ...RZ lenses are actually cheaper in many cases than RB lenses (more of them available, the APOs for example).

    -Ed
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    Quote Originally Posted by EdSawyer View Post
    The RZ67 was designed to replace the RB from the get go. No doubt whatsoever. It was only later that they finally realized people were going to keep buying the RB (for whatever reasons) and decided to keep making them. I am sure they would have preferred to not bother, probably. But the money was too good, I'd guess.

    What functionality was lost? None that I can think of. Everything was/is a gain - which is why it was designed as a replacement. the RZ is a superb system, and especially these days with the crazy cheap prices, no reason not to choose it over the RB. RZ lenses are actually cheaper in many cases than RB lenses (more of them available, the APOs for example).

    -Ed
    I think another the reason for the co-production of RB/RZ systems was because many people were skeptical of the electronics and potential for battery failure (whether it be on a long, demanding shoot or outside in battery-defeating temperatures). Yes, there are work-arounds that we're all familiar with now, but that's like Monday afternoon quarter-backing (after the Sunday game) - hindsight almost always gives perfect clarity.

    For my purposes, I (generally speaking) have chosen not to buy cameras which require a battery and chose the RB67 Pro-S for that reason. In hindsight, I wish I had chosen the Pro-SD, but I'm very pleased with my Pro-S all the same (even the 120 backs which need to have the light-seals maintained). My 35mm gear all requires a battery for some level of functionality (whether just for the meter or for both meter and shutter), but I tend to prefer the least amount of electronics for my film gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Klein View Post
    Nice pictures. Smoothe backgrounds (bokeh) produced by this lens. How did you scan them?
    Alan, sorry I missed your question earlier. I get my film developed, and the negs scanned by a guy who specialises in such things, and is far better at it than I am. I agree about the smooth, creamy bokeh this lens gives - beautiful.

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    I got a #2 (82mm) RB extension tube in the mail today. I will experiment with it using my 127/3.8 on an RB67 Pro S. A 180 is on its way here. I will try to decide whether to get a 65 after that or a 140 macro. For hand held use I prefer my Bronica GS-1s but the RB is much better for closer work.

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    I'd recommend the 140, as it not only gives beautiful close ups, but without the extension tube can give stunning landscapes too.

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