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    Quote Originally Posted by RalphLambrecht View Post
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    they are asgoodas humans can make and as divine as they are appreciated by their proud and brokeowners
    I think they're like anything else I have learned to work on. When you know how to work on something, it loses it's "specialness". The first time I opened up an ELM, I was a bit disappointed because there wasn't much in it. At least not like I had expected. I thought the peg on the gear that pushes the mirror back up after the initial bounce was pretty neat, but I thought the stilt on the non-operator's side of the mirror hinge impressed me as an after-thought, and seemed pretty cheapie-looking. But it does work well, I'll hand it that. As for me, I've made the decision to get rid of all my Hasselblad gear. It's beyond my means for my income level and I can't justify it. Going to just stick with my Nikkormat FTn and my 8x10 with the old Betax shutter.

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    when it is cold I take my c330 otherwise I need to Ziploc the backs and pocket them to keep the film warm if I might need to shoot at wide aperture.
    They are not practical for wild life or street candids.
    If I was more cynical Id sell buy film and another RB67 lens?

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    lots of BMW people talk about matching numbers, even in newer 70's and 80's bikes. if all this hand crafted nonsense is worth anything more then then prestige, it must be subjective. While Hasselblad and lieca make sharp lenses, and were originally an innovative design, no handcrafted thing can compete with machine and computer precision (at least in terms of reliability and consistency) which is probably why hasselblads are now made by fuji, in Japan, on a cell system assembly line (each product is built from start to finish by one person).

    If the backs have such tight tolerances so that they must be matched to inserts, it kind of defeats the purpose of having inserts in the first place, that is so that you can have many inserts ready to go instead of having lots of full backs ready to go.
    Just the same as selling spare parts for a motorcycle, where you cannot really replace any parts, because they will never match or work properly. With older BMW's it is the fact of life that while they are fairly reliable, they always leak, klunk and woozzie, they are very heavy, and all that for apparent reason, other then tradition... I feel the same way about hasselblads and liecas...
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    Quote Originally Posted by CatLABS View Post
    lots of BMW people talk about matching numbers, even in newer 70's and 80's bikes. if all this hand crafted nonsense is worth anything more then then prestige, it must be subjective. While Hasselblad and lieca make sharp lenses, and were originally an innovative design, no handcrafted thing can compete with machine and computer precision (at least in terms of reliability and consistency) which is probably why hasselblads are now made by fuji, in Japan, on a cell system assembly line (each product is built from start to finish by one person).

    If the backs have such tight tolerances so that they must be matched to inserts, it kind of defeats the purpose of having inserts in the first place, that is so that you can have many inserts ready to go instead of having lots of full backs ready to go.
    Just the same as selling spare parts for a motorcycle, where you cannot really replace any parts, because they will never match or work properly. With older BMW's it is the fact of life that while they are fairly reliable, they always leak, klunk and woozzie, they are very heavy, and all that for apparent reason, other then tradition... I feel the same way about hasselblads and liecas...
    tell me why and howcomputer-made items are more reliable than hand-crafted parts.
    your spell checker didn't catch lieca, did it
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikebarger View Post
    90% of my backs are early and it doesn't make any difference.
    How early? And what 'Blad do you use them on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by RalphLambrecht View Post
    tell me why and howcomputer-made items are more reliable than hand-crafted parts.
    your spell checker didn't catch lieca, did it
    Thats right. But don't ask me (and my poor spelling), just ask GM, brittish layland and... Hasselblad...
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    Quote Originally Posted by RalphLambrecht View Post
    tell me why and howcomputer-made items are more reliable than hand-crafted parts.
    your spell checker didn't catch lieca, did it
    That's the story of the industrial revolution, is it not?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xmas View Post
    read the user guide...
    Yes, read the manual. Writing a short description is usually too much work for some people. And don't you know we are supposed to have every manual to every camera ever made, even if we buy it used with no manual?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    Free manuals for a $3 donation http://www.butkus.org/chinon/
    ... and:
    http://www.hasselbladhistorical.eu/hw/hwvsys.aspx

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shootar401 View Post
    Yes, read the manual. Writing a short description is usually too much work for some people. And don't you know we are supposed to have every manual to every camera ever made, even if we buy it used with no manual?
    No anything I might have written would be anathema to a blad groupie. Hence all these post comments.

    The manual is the word from the production people. Had they controlled tolerances they would not have needed them. The matching numbers are there for a reason...

    The blad back like a Rolli (and near clones) or RB67 will also give cold film a set, compounding the problem, but they are probably ok in a studio.

    You are supposed to be aware of that too.

    They are capable of superlative results but you need to know how to use them.

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