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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Croubie View Post
    Always the hatred for the kievs... sigh.

    A lot of people on a lot of different forums that I've read seem to have been burned from buying them new mail-order from ads in the back of photo magazines in the 90s and hold grudges for the next 20 years.
    The Hassy 1000 and 1600 may have not lasted very long, but they had very fragile corrugated shutters. Kievs have nice light-tight cloth.
    Credit where credit's due, the Ukranians didn't just copy cameras, in a lot of cases they made them better. I had a Pentacon6 for a while before getting a Kiev60, and the Kiev is a cut above, feels a lot more solid. The P6 (strangely enough) feels more 'Japanese' in its construction.

    I've had my K88CM for about a year or two now, and no troubles.

    Having to wind the shutter before changing speeds or it jams? That scared me a bit when I first read it, but once I started using it I realised, "so freakin what?".
    Why would you want to change shutter speed before you can even see anything in the viewfinder? (winding shutter makes the mirror return too).

    In about 20-30 rolls I've put through that beast (with 2 NT backs and 4 older ones) I've had 1 roll in an older back that didn't have very good frame spacing, but then I knew I hadn't loaded it the best to begin with.

    Just don't pay too much, and don't expect too much. For $100 it won't be the best camera in the world, but I still reach for it more often than my M645AF. I haven't tried the Hassy prism but the Kiev TTL/Spot prism is great to use and a lot of people agree on google. It only takes a small screwdriver and 5 mins to calibrate.
    Get the 88CM and an MC Biometar for another $100, practically the same as a Planar without the pricetag.

    it's it's tht really cheap for Kiev 88? Only $100 ? E--bay selling $400++

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    > I had a Pentacon6 for a while before getting a Kiev60, and the Kiev is a cut above, feels a lot more solid.

    I had some P6 bodies but I sold them all and stayed with a Kiev 60 body. The P6 looks more nice, but the K60 has a brighter larger groundglass and works fine even if it is cold outside. In the cold the P6 tned to longish times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yashica92 View Post
    it's it's tht really cheap for Kiev 88? Only $100 ? E--bay selling $400++
    I see two sellers have recently sold them for $130-150, mashunyak2012 and leo250177, for a body, back, no lens or finder. Never heard of either of them so I can't vouch for them. I can definitely vouch for grizzly33bear (she doesn't appear to have anything up atm) and cupog (an ex-collector I think). A TTL/Spot finder is another $60, or a WLF for $20, from the same places.
    These are the "new" prices. Wait around and eventually you'll find one for $100, or a full kit with a lens and finder for maybe $200, $150 if you're lucky.

    Just thought I'd go over my records, I paid US$105 for body, wlf, and NT back in Dec 2012, then $59 for a ttl/spot finder and $26 for another NT back a week later.
    Latest was I (finally) got an MC biometar for €46, been after one for years (already had the vega, the volna, the arsat, and the zebra biometar, gonna sell a few of these now I've got my MC biometar).
    An awful lot of electrons were terribly inconvenienced in the making of this post.

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    I've never owned a Kiev 88, but I've had an Arax 60 (Arax's improved version of the Kiev 60) for about 10 years and it's been quite reliable. I bought it to replace, and use the lenses from, my Pentacon 6 TL which was anything but reliable. IMO the Arax/Kiev 60 is much better. From everything I've read the Kiev 88, even in it's Arax version, has far more that can go wrong with it.

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    The Arax 88 worth to own it ?

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    I guess that depends on what you want it for? If you want it for taking pictures then the lenses are more than adequate to take great pictures if you can do your part. Buy one that works and get with it.

    If you are looking for an investment that will grow in value during the time you own it so you can resell it later at a profit? Probably not so much.

    People get too worried about reliability. Probably 90% of all used cameras will need some service or adjustment at some point in their lifespan. This is a fact of life for German cameras, Japanese cameras, Swedish cameras, and even Russian cameras. So look for someone who can service the camera for you, or learn to do it yourself. Of course you might get lucky and buy one of those 10% that don't need work, but I wouldn't bet on it.
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    I've been out shooting with my KIEV-88 (pre-CM version) these past two weekends. Mainly to test the Aki-Asahi anti-reflection flock set I've installed.


    VEGA-12V 90mm f/2.8 and Rollei Superpan 200


    Biggest problem I've had with it was the slow speeds sticking. The airbrake wasn't turning freely due to a bent frame holding it. And another was the L-shaped part going into the stack of gears being bent out of shape.
    Both were relatively easy to fix, but you have to know what you're looking for.

    Latest problem was after installing the flock set the mirror was slow on the first part of the flipping-up. I installed the rear most strip too far forward on the light baffle. The adhesive layer of the strip was sticking to the underside of the mirror after a day.

    Light leaks in the magazines have been mentioned. Make sure you always pull out the darkslide completely. Leaving it sticking out partially allows light to get past the edges of the slide.


    I paid a €100 for a set with a VEGA-12V lens, two magazines, TTL-prism and some extension tubes, neatly packed away in a hard case.

    Definitely not disappointed with it though. But yeah, as suggested, if you're looking for a reliable 6x6 SLR, you will want to look elsewhere
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    Little over 2 years ago I made the jump and ordered an Arax-60 from the Arax company. They essentially reworked the Kiev-60, made it better with much smaller tolerances and sells them for pretty cheap prices. I used to have a Bronica ETRSi but that camera was battery dependent (not a battery you could get everywhere) and eventually the electronics failed on the body making it shoot on 1/500th a sec half of the time. I then looked into a better solution than a Bronica, Hassleblad was way too expensive (even secondhand), Mamiya isn't that easy to score in Belgium and any other brand is non-existent here so after surfing on the web for some time I decided to get a reworked Kiev-60. I made the payment (a little over 400euro for a brand new camera with custom leatherette and 80mm lens) and a few weeks later the beast had arrived. Cocking the thing sounds like loading trough a Kalashnikov rifle and there is no way of shooting silent, I do a lot of abandoned buildings and when you are standing in a large hall and trip the shutter everybody there (security guards, fellow explorers and so on) will have heard you taking a photograph. But if you treat it right it will last, I have used it quite a bit in all possible weather conditions and it hasn't failed once. I bought a Carl Zeiss 50mm Flektogon for wide angle and use the standard Arax/Kiev Arsat (80mm) and so far all the photographs came out gorgeous. If you like a no nonsense approach camera, don't mind the somewhat funky ergonomics and don't want to feed the greed of the capitalist, then Comrade, this is the camera for you. I however would only buy it from Arax or some other reputed re-builder, they not only build it so it works but also give you warranty for a year in case something goes wrong.
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    I have a couple of Kiev 88CM bodies, as well as a Bronica ETRSi system, and a Pentax 67. Most of my early negatives were made with the Kiev as it was cheap to get into. The only thing I use them for now is the excellent 80mm CZJ Biometar, and the 180/2.8 and 300/4 mm, and the 30mm fisheye. Those lenses are honestly the reason I have kept it, and the spare. Read that again, the spare body.

    Being careful with setting shutter speeds (mostly a problem with the non-CM), you CAN do good work, but I wouldn't rely on it on a paid job, or on a expedition you can't do over easily (Antarctica/Tibet). There is simply too much risk. Also, the higher shutter speeds are susceptable to banding. There is a reason that past 35mm, most cameras have leaf shutters.

    So, I use it for specific things. But mostly reach for my ETRSi.

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    That being said, I also carry a spare ETRS body when I travel.

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