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    The earlier Yashica TLRs are economical and capable of recording decent images. The 124 Yashicas offer more of a gain in status than in image quality. After using one a while, a photographer should know what features the 2nd 6x6 should have, and have money left over to buy it.

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    Lol!

    The guy says his most used lens is a Leica 35mm 1.4 ASPH and yet people are on here recommending cheap-ass garage sale classics for $10. Unless you have used an M 35mm 1.4 ASPH for a length of time, you have no idea what a spectacular negative or slide this now $3,000 used lens produces, I had one for 3 years before I sold off most of my Leica gear in favor of my Hasselblad stuff. I do have one M3 and a 50 Lux left, all the Leica I need.

    I'm not saying it is all about the camera, but if you intend to compete in Formula One, you don't show up in a restored 1965 Ferrari.

    If one wants to *really* experience the jump in image quality from 35 to 120, then put the glass first, especially coming from Leica folks. If hooked, he can do more research and pick the camera or system that works best for him.

    My wife and I are going to be traveling abroad for three weeks next year. I could bring my Nikons, the Leica M3 with the Xpan, Hassy or 4x5. I am bringing a 501CM with a 60 and 100 and two backs, I daily carry a 501CM all the time, at least a few times a week, it's not much bigger than an SLR and it is a joy to use, great self promotion too.

    It's all relative I guess....
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post

    My wife and I are going to be traveling abroad for three weeks next year. I could bring my Nikons, the Leica M3 with the Xpan, Hassy or 4x5. I am bringing a 501CM with a 60 and 100 and two backs, I daily carry a 501CM all the time, at least a few times a week, it's not much bigger than an SLR and it is a joy to use, great self promotion too.

    It's all relative I guess....
    Where are you going?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    Where are you going?
    Not sure yet, she has 12 weeks of vacation saved up so I am really bugging her to take it. We will probably pick one place and hang out as we both like to get to know the place and people more than just skin deep...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    Lol!

    The guy says his most used lens is a Leica 35mm 1.4 ASPH and yet people are on here recommending cheap-ass garage sale classics for $10.
    Yeah, but he also quoted a budget that sounds a bit tight for top-grade medium format---he can get a damn good camera for US$500, but he won't get a Planar 'flex or a Mamiya 7. And for some of us who *do* have top-grade MF stuff, it still shares time with "cheap-ass garage sale classics".

    That said, I wouldn't really suggest a scale-focus folder here either. A good RF folder, sure, but that's out of the US$10 arena unless you happen to pick the right garage sale.

    I'm not saying it is all about the camera, but if you intend to compete in Formula One, you don't show up in a restored 1965 Ferrari.
    If the OP intends to *compete* with his Leica gear, I hope he's planning to spend more than US$500. But he specifically said "not necessarily better" and sounds like he's looking to try out the format, not to switch systems in search of better image quality.

    I bet a hat there are plenty of F1 drivers who have a great time messing around with restored 1965 Ferraris, even though they wouldn't be competitive cars in their day jobs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntenny View Post
    Yeah, but he also quoted a budget that sounds a bit tight for top-grade medium format---he can get a damn good camera for US$500, but he won't get a Planar 'flex or a Mamiya 7. And for some of us who *do* have top-grade MF stuff, it still shares time with "cheap-ass garage sale classics".

    That said, I wouldn't really suggest a scale-focus folder here either. A good RF folder, sure, but that's out of the US$10 arena unless you happen to pick the right garage sale.



    If the OP intends to *compete* with his Leica gear, I hope he's planning to spend more than US$500. But he specifically said "not necessarily better" and sounds like he's looking to try out the format, not to switch systems in search of better image quality.

    I bet a hat there are plenty of F1 drivers who have a great time messing around with restored 1965 Ferraris, even though they wouldn't be competitive cars in their day jobs.
    Totally agree, but I know from experience what he is likely to want to see coming from that Leica glass, so he should maybe get a nice TLR with a stunner for a lens and give it a whirl. Or, up the budget to around $750-$800 and snag a decent 500CM/80/A12, worst thing that could happen is that he bails and sells it for roughly the same.

    I have a friend who has a nice Ferrari collection, probably worth around 2 mil, he has a restored 1965 Ferrari convertible...
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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    Not sure yet, she has 12 weeks of vacation saved up so I am really bugging her to take it. We will probably pick one place and hang out as we both like to get to know the place and people more than just skin deep...
    Give me a shout if Shanghai is on your itinerary!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RattyMouse View Post
    Give me a shout if Shanghai is on your itinerary!
    Shanghai would be awesome, I will definitely PM you if we head that way..
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    Hi Ryan,

    For your budget, a lot depends on how you process your negatives and whether you are married to the idea of square format MF. If you are printing in a darkroom with a decent enlarger lens, the jump to MF from 35mm will probably be significant, even a relatively cheap and cheerful MF camera with a decent lens compared to your Leica, just due to the size advantage and lesser degree of enlargement. If you scan, however, there is the question of flatbed vs. film scanner. It's really hard to find film scanners for MF vs. 35mm. A dedicated 35mm scanner will outresolve a flatbed, lessening the MF advantage in terms of resolution, although the finer grain will still show itself. If you are stuck with a flatbed, the biggest negative wins, and you will see a distinct improvement with MF, and preferably 6x7 size is the way to go.

    For your budget, you can get a pretty good Yashica, Minolta or Rolleicord TLR if a normal lens is enough. If you want interchangeable and square, Bronica SQ-A will do it. If you are not married to the square format, the field opens up with Bronica, Pentax and Mamiya all offering good 645 format systems, which are very complete. Fuji has some 645 rangefinders that might fit your budget. Hasselblads and 67 format SLRs and rangefinders won't fit your budget.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    Lol!

    The guy says his most used lens is a Leica 35mm 1.4 ASPH and yet people are on here recommending cheap-ass garage sale classics for $10. Unless you have used an M 35mm 1.4 ASPH for a length of time, you have no idea what a spectacular negative or slide this now $3,000 used lens produces, I had one for 3 years before I sold off most of my Leica gear in favor of my Hasselblad stuff. I do have one M3 and a 50 Lux left, all the Leica I need.

    I'm not saying it is all about the camera, but if you intend to compete in Formula One, you don't show up in a restored 1965 Ferrari.

    If one wants to *really* experience the jump in image quality from 35 to 120, then put the glass first, especially coming from Leica folks. If hooked, he can do more research and pick the camera or system that works best for him.

    My wife and I are going to be traveling abroad for three weeks next year. I could bring my Nikons, the Leica M3 with the Xpan, Hassy or 4x5. I am bringing a 501CM with a 60 and 100 and two backs, I daily carry a 501CM all the time, at least a few times a week, it's not much bigger than an SLR and it is a joy to use, great self promotion too.

    It's all relative I guess....
    I recommended the Ansco Super Speedex mainly because of it's superb image quality in a nice coat pocketable package. It also generally comes in under the stated budget by $100. So what if it's older than the 1965 Ferrari I don't know if you were referring to this recommendation in particular, but I want to put out there that I think the quality of the images are on par with what I get from my Hasselblad. It's certainly not as flexible as a system camera, but it's also a lot more portable. Because of that I don't feel silly walking around a grocery store or hospital carrying it, whereas I don't usually bring any camera that requires a bag on non photo related trips.

    You may want to pick up one for your trip abroad to supplement the Hasselblad

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