I'm actually getting the hang of zone focussing - luckily I'm quite good at estimating distances, and have been using an Olympus Trip recently and have more focussing hits than misses, so lack of rangefinder doesn't worry me too much.
The technique showed in the article may be helpful exploit the wasted DoF.
OM-1n: Do I need to own a Leica?
Rolleicord Va: Humble.
Holga 120GFN: Amazingly simple yet it produces outstanding negatives to print.
Folders, folders and more folders...
super ikonta C --- may not find a really good one for that price, but go another hundred and you should be able to.
Originally Posted by RattyMouse
I have a Perkeo II (6x6 Color Skopar) and an Ercona II (6x9 CZJ Tessar), acquired along the way from certo6. Both are quite capable cameras. The one shock on picking one up is that after today's nearly-empty plastic point&shoots, they feel heavy; they're actually made of metal and glass! But they are certainly lighter than my Bronica SQ-A, especially when it has the 110mm macro lens attached.
As I recall, each set me back around $200, but from certo6 that means you have a CLA and they are ready to use. The rangefinder equipped folders tend to be the most recently made (even thought it might be 50 years ago) and top of the line models, so they are a bit more dear to purchase. There are a few that have heavy collector status and can be a bit hurtful toward the wallet
(Besides showing the cameras and a few samples, those pages have links to other examples.)
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Certo6 on ebay, linked in a post above recently had a very nice Zeiss Ikon Ikonta 523/16 6x6 on ebay that didn't sell for $130. It was near mint with the F3.5 novar and a prontor-s shutter top speed of 1/300. He CLA's all of his cameras before he sells them, I bought my Ikonta 521/2 6x9, and Franka Solida 6x6 off of him and they are both excellant cameras. If you contact him he may still have that 6x6 Ikonta available. I don't know how quality control across the board was on the Novars, but I'm pretty impressed with mine even wide open.
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Mamiya RZ67 Pro, Mamiya-Sekor 110mm F=2.8W.
Franka Solida, Schneider-Kreuznach Radionar 75mm F=2.9.
Mac user since 04/25/15.
I own an old Franka folder I bought from an APUG member and will say that it is an interesting piece of gear and fun to use, but challenging. What I've learned about folders is: Buy a postwar model with a coated lens, buy a model with a coupled rangefinder if you want to work with any sort of speed and precision, and buy one with a good Tessar lens or equivalent in a shutter with plenty of speeds. (Mine has a coated Schneider Radionar triplet lens and no rangefinder. It has three shutter speeds and "B," which is a little limiting. The lens is adequate for small enlargements.) If you can find a 6x9 camera with an insert mask for 6x6cm, it's a good bonus.
Most of the German folders take 120 film, but watch out for the Kodaks. They were made to take 620 film, which was rolled on a slightly different spool and is not available in its original form today.
I'll second Certo6 as an excellent source for information and cameras. I bought a folder lens in a shutter from him that was exactly as described. Be prepared to pay good money for a good camera, as always.
I also recomend www.cert06.com.
Where Jurgen gets his cameras is beyond me... my latest theory is Jurgen has a time machine,
and just dials it back 50-60 years, and grabs a new folder, and then sells it.
Depends what you want to spend. Ikontas are way more expensive than nettars. I have a nettar in minty condition that I really enjoy using. It has the 4.5 novar triplet lens which is still really good stopped down a bit see below
The good thing about the nettar is it is really easy to service. Lens elements come out easily just watch the position of the front element when you unscrew the front so you can get it back in the same position for focus. The whole shutter comes off by removing the retaining ring inside and you can then dunk the whole shutter in cleaning fluid. Mine was stuck solid when I got it and now works perfectly.
And they are cheap. Easy way to carry 6x6!
I wouldn't bother buying a model with a rangefinder - coupled or not. Using scale focusing is easy, very fast and more than accurate enough. My technique is to imagine myself lying down on the ground repeatedly between me and the subject - I am almost exactly 2 metres tall. Over 8 metres/4 body lengths (25 feet) it really doesn't matter much - just call it infinity.
Once you haver mastered that, using a rangefinder is just more trouble than it is worth.