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    38mm Biogons, in fact biogons in general, are fine lenses. You might also wish to look at Schneider's 38mm S.A.XL which cab be fitted to many cameras. Helpful also is the fact that it is more akin to a 53mm lensd as far as mounting than a 38mm....it is a retrofocus lens.
    Claire (Ms Anne Thrope is in the darkroom)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
    Surprisingly few, and the Alpa is the only camera with an interchangeable one.

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    Roger (www.rogerandfrances.com)
    Um, er, ah, Roger, not to take anything away from the Alpa, but I shoot my 38/4.5 Biogon on a Century Graphic and one of my neighbors shoots one of his on a thin Graflex XL. Both bodies accept other lenses too.

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    Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    Um, er, ah, Roger, not to take anything away from the Alpa, but I shoot my 38/4.5 Biogon on a Century Graphic and one of my neighbors shoots one of his on a thin Graflex XL. Both bodies accept other lenses too.

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    Dan
    Dear Dan,

    OK, I stand corrected, but it is (according to Zeiss) the only interchangeable one sanctioned by Zeiss as original equipment. Their view is that no other cameras are precise enough to make them interchangeable.

    How did your neighbour get his onto an XL? I have an XL and it takes a focusing mount. The 53/4.5 was interchangeable on several cameras (mostly Linhofs) but I am intrigued by the XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
    Dear Dan,

    OK, I stand corrected, but it is (according to Zeiss) the only interchangeable one sanctioned by Zeiss as original equipment. Their view is that no other cameras are precise enough to make them interchangeable.

    How did your neighbour get his onto an XL? I have an XL and it takes a focusing mount. The 53/4.5 was interchangeable on several cameras (mostly Linhofs) but I am intrigued by the XL.

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    Roger
    Roger, your friends at Zeiss have short memories or Zeiss is more compartmentalized than I'd imagined. I b'lieve that the 38 Biogon was used on the Vinten F95, a highly precise camera with interchangeable lenses.

    As for Charlie's 38 on an XL, well, I sold him an ex-F135 Biogon and he had SKGrimes put in a #0 shutter on a focusing mount that will fit an XL. Take a look at the www.skgrimes.com site, they offer to supply a fair number of modern lenses adapted to the XL. None of these adaptations, including Charlie's one off, is RF-coupled. The F-135 is an extraordinarily precise and strange camera with fixed lenses.

    Photographic Systems, of Albuquerque, NM has offered other ex-aerial camera 38 Biogons (I think theirs came from a Maurer camera) on XLs. The idea's been around for a while. And yes, there are still yankee tinkerers.

    You forgot the 45/4.5 Biogon. Also interchangeable. 6x7 lens usually fitted to a Linhof. Perhaps your friends didn't look deep enough in the archives.

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    Dan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan Fromm View Post
    Roger, your friends at Zeiss have short memories or Zeiss is more compartmentalized than I'd imagined. . . Perhaps your friends didn't look deep enough in the archives.

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    Dan
    Dear Dan,

    None of these explanations is unlikely. Maybe they meant 'general-application' cameras? You clearly know more about Zeiss history than I -- and quite possibly, on the evidence, than Zeiss. Indeed when I pointed out that the new 1700/4 was the same speed as, but shorter than, the Leica 2000/4, they smiled and said that they preferred to forget WW2...

    There's a lovely story about an elderly fellow of All Souls, who was asked what advice he would give to a new undergraduate coming up to university some 60 years after he had done so. He thought for a little while, and then said, "I think the most important thing I have learned in a long life is this: always verify your sources."

    And I hadn't.

    Sorry,

    [Edit]: Oh, and thanks very much for the SK Grimes story.

    R.

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    Roger, thanks very much for the compliment. I certainly don't know more about Zeiss' products than the people who made them or than specialist collectors of Zeiss gear and lens lore.

    I wouldn't be surprised if Zeiss' archives were somewhat like Cooke Optics'. Barbara Lowry once replied politely to a question with an answer to the effect that what I wanted to know was on a piece of paper somewhere, but that Cooke's many, many pieces of papers' contents had not been assembled into anything coherent and easy to use.

    All kidding aside, I got the idea that it was safe to buy an F135 with the intention of having one of its lenses remounted from the Vade Mecum. The VM mentions somewhere that the job isn't easy but has been done.

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    Dan

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    Should be looking at the Kowa 19mm for the super 66, 40mm is just to tight

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    Actually, the Biogon for Alpa is sold out after two batches. But there is a good alternative in the new Switar. It's based on a Schneider Digitar and modified for analog use (focal plane etc). Identical image circle. With 5.6 it's a little slower, but optically at least on par with the Biogon. And significantly less expensive.
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    Or buy a mamiya 7 and shoot the 43mm. the 6x7 format takes care (unless you crop square) of the longer focal length. I would be amazed if the biogon is sharper than that lens. I have read comments from users of both that rate the mamiya higher. All within a very useable handholdable rangefinder to boot - for when you want a narrow depth of field and longer lenses.

    Alpas may be beautiful, but the Mamiya 7II has this niche nailed for 99.99% of photographers and for good reason (price, flexibility,performance). My jaw hit the floor when I enlarged my friends first negs out of his Mamiya 7 from the 80 and 50mm lenses. They stood out even on a small 10x8 print as being truly exceptional. Apart from the pride of ownership i have not been able to quite figure out what the practical niche is for an Alpa. It cannot think of anything it can do better than a Mamiya 7 and can think of quite a lot it surely does worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Stanworth View Post
    Or buy a mamiya 7 and shoot the 43mm. the 6x7 format takes care (unless you crop square) of the longer focal length. I would be amazed if the biogon is sharper than that lens. I have read comments from users of both that rate the mamiya higher. All within a very useable handholdable rangefinder to boot - for when you want a narrow depth of field and longer lenses.

    Alpas may be beautiful, but the Mamiya 7II has this niche nailed for 99.99% of photographers and for good reason (price, flexibility,performance). My jaw hit the floor when I enlarged my friends first negs out of his Mamiya 7 from the 80 and 50mm lenses. They stood out even on a small 10x8 print as being truly exceptional. Apart from the pride of ownership i have not been able to quite figure out what the practical niche is for an Alpa. It cannot think of anything it can do better than a Mamiya 7 and can think of quite a lot it surely does worse.
    Yes, you'd be amazed.

    Cheers,

    R.

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