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    Geez...my second post...what nice friendly forum.

    >Though you say you've assisted a lot of photographers, it doesn't sound like you've actually worked with the cameras that much.

    You are right! I only did about zillion lighting set-ups and a zillion test shots for some of the most hottest shooters in NYC. I'm not even going to name drop as you might pee your diaper and tell your mommy.

    Also an excellent photo assistant knows the camera systems they are working with inside and out. When I was assisting I was turning down work as I was so busy.

    >Usually, it's because people can't afford one, or bought a cheap one which was never maintenanced and it broke on them, so they got pissed...

    I wasn't pissed at all...just disappointed over and over again and wanted something better.

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    Don't worry, I was being friendly...and go ahead, drop some names, I'd like to hear who has had problems with Hassys. It keeps me up on the world and how it reacts to problems...

    BTW, welcome!

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    </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (docholliday @ Apr 16 2003, 12:16 PM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Don&#39;t worry, I was being friendly...and go ahead, drop some names, I&#39;d like to hear who has had problems with Hassys. It keeps me up on the world and how it reacts to problems...

    BTW, welcome&#33;</td></tr></table><span class='postcolor'>
    Well ... I thought that you were a bit intense ... but, after being on APUG for a while, I&#39;ve learned that the participants here have a great tolerance for intensity. I can see where a "newbie" might think that something like a death knell was being sounded... I know, and I can assure Johnny V, that it was NOT.

    I&#39;d like to WELCOME "Johnny V" to this uniquely tolerant place.

    I use and "cleave to" Hasselblads too. I&#39;ve heard a great deal of negative comments about them ... In fifteen years of using the 503Cx&#39;s, I&#39;ve encountered one (1) unacounted for jam, where I couldn&#39;t trip the shutter, couldn&#39;t re-cock the shutter, couldn&#39;t remove the lens or the back - couldn&#39;t do a damn thing with one of them. A trip to my friendly Hasseblad repair tech - one unusual bit of torque (more that I would have dared) to the lens mount in the right direction, and all was solved - never to repeat itself.

    I have my own rebuttal to some of the negative comments: One, I **LIKE** the square format - for *my* aesthetic reasons. True, I do crop often ... I don&#39;t like the idea of being bound by any particular format - but, if I was FORCED to choose just one for my finished work - it would be the square. Two - I don&#39;t consider it a "waste of film" to print on standard 8" x 10" paper. Conversely, the 6cm x 7cm format "wastes" a great deal of the field of the lens - most of the lens fields I know of are circular - I&#39;m STIL trying to envision a lens design that would give a rectangular field... and a slightly smaller format allows slightly faster lenses... and I get twelve (12) exposures to a roll of 120 instead of ten (10). Three ... I enjoy the idea that ther are no "verticals" in the square format - and I don&#39;t have to struggle with really strange camera positioning or the added weight of a rotating back.

    The only real drawback I&#39;ve learned to live with is the awkwardness of loading the film in the magazines. I know a fair number of Hasselbald photographers that will *NOT* allow an Assistant to load their backs - they&#39;ll always load their own.

    Lens quality ... I can&#39;t ever remember a complaint about the quality of Zeiss lenses.

    All this is written in support of *my* choice of a camera. I love &#39;blads - but I&#39;ll admit that they take some "getting used to" ... they are nothing like a "Point and Shoot".

    I am not, and will not "knock" someone else&#39;s choice ... I might as well sit high on some rock, and declare, thuderously, that "Nikons are Better than Canons" ... that would be no more than stupidity on my part.

    The photographer is the only one who can decide the relative importance of the advantages and disadvantages of each camera.

    Carpe erratum!!

    Ed Sukach, FFP.

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    Ed,
    I second the welcome to Johnny Z as well. Ultimately one&#39;s choice of equipment is just that a...personal choice.

    It would seem to me that one&#39;s priorities might benefit from examination when the first priority is on the equipment rather then the images that the equipment creates.

    I am really glad that I haven&#39;t encountered the "intensity" of which you speak at any time on this site. Tolerance is a wonderful attribute. That is what sets this site apart from the other site which shall remain unnamed.
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    Ed, everybody...

    I wasn&#39;t knocking anybody&#39;s choice of camera. Remember, I too, own RB and RZ&#39;s. I was just mention how tired I get of hearing people trashing Hasselblads & Zeiss. I too, know of quite a few photographers who won&#39;t allow assistants to load ANY camera back. Period. They only load backs on their own. And, they shoot about 50 rolls a day of 120.

    Plus, I wasn&#39;t pushing equipment choice on anybody. Again, again, again, I just was just preventing unfair and (usually) biased charges against Hasselblad. I&#39;d do the same if somebody was unjustly charging an RB/RZ.

    Since I have friends at quite a few camera shops, who often tell me occurances of Hassy mishaps, the conclusion commonly seen is that jammed Hassys are usually the cause of 1) un- or mis- maintenanced equipment or 2) unexperienced / beginner stage user problems with the equipment.

    Also, I&#39;ve never heard of a 20x series every jamming. And, I&#39;ve never seen any 503CXi/CW jam with winder. I take my 503&#39;s hiking in rain, sand, snow, etc and never have a problem.

    Not to mention that RB/RZ has it&#39;s own problems too. One of my assistant was picking up my RZ by the prism and bumped one of the prism locks. Ooops. Prism in hand, camera on floor. Then, there is the changing film while the back is still on camera...the insert sticks to the shell, then falls out onto the floor as the film unspools a bit. Or, the drive shaft under the bellows gets a bit of sand in it and grinds to a halt while tripping the shutter in the field with full extension.

    Again, a bit of maintenance fixed all of those problems. It&#39;s like buying an old Craftsman or some antique hammer from flea market with a chunk missing out of the handle: instead of getting a new handle for it, some people just use the old-*ss thing until the head breaks off and cuts them wide open one day. Then, they&#39;ll complain for years to the note of "those junk things will break and leave a gash on your ____ like this (showing cut)...

    Yep, it&#39;s a tool. And just like any tool safety/user warnings should be posted: "If broke, fix it. If not fixed, don&#39;t complain when it doesn&#39;t work".

    (BTW, a friend of mine who has been shooting for over 35 years just commented that: "just because somebody may know a camera inside and out, doesn&#39;t mean they know how to USE it or fix it.)


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    >BTW, a friend of mine who has been shooting for over 35 years just commented that: "just because somebody may know a camera inside and out, doesn&#39;t mean they know how to USE it or fix it.

    GrassHopper&#33; I think your friend should attend a course in logic or philosophy or just stick with taking happy snaps&#33;

    The only way a person will know a camera system inside and out is to work with it in hand every day. There they will find the strengths and weaknesses of the system. Based on my experience with the Hassy, as mentioned, I went the RZ route and never looked back and so did many other pro shooters. I became very proficient at unjamming lens and bodies during many advertising shoots.

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    I was viewing this gallery and admired the Hasselblad square format:

    http://tomjow.com/Route%2066/index.htm

    Then I read the welcome page - http://tomjow.com/Information.htm

    It&#39;s all shot with a Canon 1DS&#33;

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    </span><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (docholliday @ Apr 17 2003, 04:42 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'>Plus, I wasn&#39;t pushing equipment choice on anybody. Again, again, again, I just was just preventing unfair and (usually) biased charges against Hasselblad. I&#39;d do the same if somebody was unjustly charging an RB/RZ.
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    I know that ... I was just trying to bring that to the attention of Johnny V - and anyone else listening.

    I was trying to defend our freedom to BE "intense". Without intensity, and its sister, passion, our work would be ... a collection of wimpy, lifeless and (grit teeth) *inoffensive* blandness...

    I&#39;ve heard a lot of Hasselblad bashing, myself, and deep inside I&#39;ve often wondered at some of the rationalization that goes into some of it. Some people seem to be driven by some sort of vendetta ... Those two sentences should contain enough references to "some" so that I&#39;ll have covered my gluteus maximus.

    I&#39;ve had one other problem with the Cx&#39;s. The link between the off-the-film flash sensor on one body seemed to "go south", resulting in one roll of badly exposed film. After investigating with a flash meter, there was another trip to my friendly Hasselblad repair tech. This time part of the body was diassembled and the flash contacts cleaned. Ten minutes of work. A total of two instances in fifteen years.

    Incidentally, that flash system, with the ProFlash ... I could describe it as a manually set OTF system, can produce *spectacular * figure studies with sunsets as backgrounds. Meter the sunset, set shutter speed and aperture; and turn on the ProFlash. Wonderfully exposed, both for subject and sunset background - as long as the subject is in the area of the frame covered by the sensor.

    I&#39;ve got to do more of those.
    Carpe erratum!!

    Ed Sukach, FFP.

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    >I was trying to defend our freedom to BE "intense". Without intensity, and its sister, passion, our work would be ... a collection of wimpy, lifeless and (grit teeth) *inoffensive* blandness...

    I understand...but when people start attacking my skills and 25 plus years in photography it shows a lack of class and is worse than all the blandness that you are avoiding&#33;

    A person can defend their camera system without having to resort to personal attacks.

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    I&#39;m glad someone else thinks this is thread has turned into bull-crap&#33; I have never been personally attacked in any forum that I have posted too...until joining this forum.

    >Hmm Johnny the name apug stands for A= Analog, P= hotograpers, U= users, G= group.

    Hmm...I shoot film using the Zone System, drum scan my film and print digital. Maybe I don&#39;t belong here.

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