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    Camerz 70mm ZIIE Long Roll lens mount?

    Hi,

    Just obtained a mint 70mm Long-roll Camerz ZIIE camera and, while it's nice and all, I don't see myself busting off 100' of 70mm film within extension cord distance of a mains socket.

    Looking at the 70 to 150 zoom on the camera makes me wonder about fabricating a lens adapter for my Kiev. Since this is a mirror TTL focusing camera, I would think the back focus should be similar or longer.

    I can't tell how to dismount the lens; any idea of what type of mount it uses and how to release the lens?

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    Nope; won't work. The Kiev 88 has a flange focus of 82.10 mm and the Camerz lens has a flange focus of 78mm. It would, however, work with the Kiev 60 or Pentacon 6, which has a flange focus of 74.10 mm.

    Looks like its time to make a Frankenstein camera...

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    Couldn't you just make an adapter to put the Kiev 88 lens farther away so that it meets the 82.10mm distance?

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    Yes if i wanted to put the Kiev lens on the CamerZ body, but I want to do the opposite.

    Backfocus would be 4.10 mm too short if I mounted the CamerZ zoom on the Kiev.

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    Sorry, I missed that part.

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    What does the actual mount for the Camerz lens look like? 75-150mm sounds like a Schneider zoom that was fitted to a variety of medium format systems, so it could be that the mount has some offset built in for the Camerz, and maybe if you remove the whole mount, you could make a mount for it for the Kiev.
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    David,

    I don't know just yet, but I will try removing it tomorrow.

    What I can see is that it is attached to the camera body via a flange and the aperture ring appears to set right down on the flange, so I doubt it will allow shortening, but I won't know for sure until I take it apart.

    The lens does not want to unscrew and I can't find a release, so I don't want to break it.

    I cannot see if the flange is threaded or a bayonet of some kind.

    The lens says its made in Japan and feels very solid.

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    Have you contacted Photo-Control? They probably have some information about it and could tell you if there were an easy way to remove the lens. They're very helpful for Norman stuff, which they also distribute. They used to be at www.photo-control.com, but that doesn't seem to work right now. I was able to find the website at http://www.normanlights.com/
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    I have a Z-iie too. You can unmount the 75-150mm zoom by unscrewing the 4 screws on the lens flange. The lens can be lifted off from the camera. You are right the flange can not be shortened. I have thought of fabricating a Pentax 67 mount on this lens to use it on my 67-ii but found it a no go. This lens needs to be mounted around 78mm from the film plane. Pentax 67's 84mm away from the film plane so it's not feasible. The lens does not have a built-in shutter so it can only be used on a SLR with a focal plane shutter. The coverage of this lens is really for 645 format. Most 645 SLRs have fairly small lens mount. The Camerz zoom seems way too big to mount on any of them. So I have not found an application for this lens. Maybe it should be left alone with the Camerz body to do what it is made for.

    BTW, is Camerz Z-ii (or similar) still widely used for school portrait photography? I have one and I have not been able to figure out other applications. The camera has a fix shutter speed at about 1/30th or 1/60th. It has to be mounted on a big tripod (very heavy). It will shake violently (quite visible in front of you) when the shutter is fired. It has to depend on a flash to freeze the image. With natural lighting the shutter induced vibration may blur badly every image it takes. It's an interesting camera though. Built like a tank. It's fairly loud, it vibrates, but it takes portraits. But with flash lighting it should do its job as it is supposed to.

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    Mtjade2007,

    Thanks for the info; had not quite got around to trying to remove it -- too many house projects in the way.

    I don't think they are used much anymore; but there may be a few studios using them for portrait or school photo use. You can buy them all day long on Ebay for $50 or less for mint examples in nice shipping cases.

    I bought mine to get the tripod upon which it sat; thrown in as part of the deal, but the camera intrigued me.

    I suspect it will eventually wind up in the metal scrap pile; too bad. A good example of a highly specialized camera that has lost its market.

    Much like my 8000 fps Fastax 16mm HS Camera; can't give the damned thing away...

    Thanks again.

    Frank

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