(Why is the grip left handed, is it because the winder is on the right side? Why are Mamiyas and Hasselblads like that, compared to 35mm and other MF cameras?)
Yes, they wind on the right, And the Mamiya you need to cock the shutter AND advance the film unless you have a powered back.
Both the Rollei and Hasselblad have/had a pistol grip that fit under the camera but, they still require holding the camera with the left hand and advance is done with the right. The pistol grip also releases the shutter via a trigger so you don't have to juggle the thing.
Nikon also made a very high quality pistol grip that used a cable release or electric connection for the F36 motor drive. The grip angle could be adjusted so it could be used right or left handed. I seem to recall they also made a cable for the F2 motor
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Don't get hung up on negatiev size too much. Blowing a 6x6 neg up to 6x7 size only takes 1.3x extra enlargement (and then you'll have the equivalent of a 7x7 image, i.e. extra!).
That small, extra amount of enlarging really does not show.
The extra amount of enlarging does not show? You are presenting your own personal opinions as if they were absolute indisputable facts. I have printed many 16x20 and 20x24 prints from both 6x6 and 6x7 negatives, and in my experience the extra amount of enlarging most certainly does show. That is my own opinion based on my own personal experience.
Here is an absolute indisputable fact:
When printing a 16x20 from a 6x6 negative, you are only using a 6x4.5 crop from the 6x6. The surface area of a 6x4.5 neg is 27 sq cm. The surface area of a 6x7 neg is 42 sq cm. The 6x7 neg has a little more than 1.5 times as much surface area as 6x4.5. That's more than 50% increase, and it is indisputable fact.
If you only print square prints, THEN the difference wouldn't be noticeable because you would be cropping 6x7 down to 6x6.
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A camera made and handled like 35 mm thingies may sound a nice idea, but it really is not.
Raising the camera in front of your face takes your arms away from your body, then no longer able to provide a stable support. (That's also why 45 degree prisms are favoured over 90 degree prisms). It's a lot more comfortable to hold the camera at chest height. Provides much better support too, reducing the risk of shake.
More personal opinions being presented as if they were absolute indisputable facts. That's how so much misinformation gets propagated on the internet. For me personally, it is NOT more comfortable to hold the camera at chest height. For me, eye level is more comfortable AND more stable. I can't stand using waist level finders, and I ALWAYS use a prism finder. It's all about personal preferences.
What I meant when I said "designed like 35mm" was more "right hand shutter" vs. the "left hand shutter" of many MF cameras. I'm right hand, left eye dominent...So cocking the shutter and whatnot with my right hand would probably be much easier.
I honestly think I'm just going to go with a 6x7 camera. How heavy is a GS-1 vs. an RZ67 vs. a Nikon F100?
And, it seems as if Adorama doesn't rent AE prisms for the 'blad.
When printing a 16x20 from a 6x6 negative, you are only using a 6x4.5 crop from the 6x6. The surface area of a 6x4.5 neg is 27 sq cm. The surface area of a 6x7 neg is 42 sq cm. The 6x7 neg has a little more than 1.5 times as much surface area as 6x4.5. That's more than 50% increase, and it is indisputable fact.
It's 65.3% more, even.
Still the difference between a 8x10 made from a 6x7 negative and a 10.3x12.8 made from that same 6x7 negative.
Now go to your darkroom, and make both prints, run back to your desk, turn on the high wattage desklight, break out the loupe, and start looking for the difference in quality.
Then sit back and wonder what all the fuzz was about.
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More personal opinions being presented as if they were absolute indisputable facts. That's how so much misinformation gets propagated on the internet. For me personally, it is NOT more comfortable to hold the camera at chest height. For me, eye level is more comfortable AND more stable. I can't stand using waist level finders, and I ALWAYS use a prism finder. It's all about personal preferences.
Indeed. Your personal opinion, against absolute indisputable fact...
Try a Rollei 6001. it can be had fairly cheap. Lenses are the best. And it has a built in motor. Focus and set apertures with your left hand. No cranking with your right hand. All you have to do with your right hand is click the shutter. Interchangeable backs (without darkslide) etc. A very advanced camera that is very easy to use.
The GS1 is significantly less bulky than the RZ, but then you have the rotating back for the RZ so never have to turn it on its side. The prism finder for the RZ series is *BIG*: I cant imagine using it off tripod, the GS is handholdable with the prism.
As far as 6x8cm goes Fuji did make a domestic model 6x8 fixed lens rangefinder, and IIRC mamiya made a 6x8 back for the RZ/RB series also domestic only. Ive certainly seen the former at KEH.
AE prism on a 'blad kind of defeats part of the purpose to me: pick a nice day and use sunny 16.
Have fun with your day of rental!!!
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Try a Rollei 6001. it can be had fairly cheap. Lenses are the best. And it has a built in motor. Focus and set apertures with your left hand. No cranking with your right hand. All you have to do with your right hand is click the shutter. Interchangeable backs (without darkslide) etc. A very advanced camera that is very easy to use.
Now, I got every camera I will ever need. I gots the FM2, I gots a couple rb67s, I gots my 4x5 Speed Graphic, I gots my 8x10 Deardorff with 4x5, 5x7, and 8x10 backs. I gots my Yashica 44.
I don't need another camera.
BUT... If I were to get another one, it would be a 600x series Rollie. The best balanced camera I have ever held. I didn't have the money for one when I was in the market, I certainly don't need one now.
BUT... What a great camera, especially sitting on top of a pistola grip.
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So, it wouldn't be a good idea for me to run around with an RZ67, wide angle lens, and AE prism? The GS-1 is just looking better and better.
Jupiter and volquartz, I can't really find any info on the 6001...KEH and Rollei's site are sparse. I can't find any info on how much it weighs, if there is an AE finder, etc. I guess I should check on bhphotovideo or something.
I do most of my shooting walking around, without a tripod...but I'm young and strong. I don't, however, want a massive camera that is going to draw a lot of attention or possibly get smashed (MTA train cars and taxis are cramped, and NYC streets are busy and bustling).
Maybe I should go simple and get an old Rollei TLR.
(If anyone is wondering why I'm so crazily hot on AE, it is because I really, really, really love shooting slides...even for B&W. I suppose that is because of my upbringing in such a digital instant world, I love to see my images...but another reason is because I don't have my own darkroom, and so on...I can't print all of my images, so it is nice to at least see them.)
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