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    Rollei Bay II Rolleinar?

    Hi, folks. A local camera store is moving to a new location and had a pre-moving sale today, after cleaning out the basement. I got a lovely Bay I lens hood for my New Standard Rolleiflex (and with that uncoated lens, it needed one!) I also got another widget which I'm going to sell but am not completely sure what it is. I'm hoping that you can help.

    It's NOS -- new, never used, and still in the box. The box says "Rolleinarsatz" with "D 2" underneath, and "2 x Bajonett" beneath that. On the filter itself it says "Rolleinar 2 - 28.5" and has the "diameter" symbol following, on the topmost metal ring. On the bottom ring it says, "Rolleinar 2 - 28.5" again with the "diameter" symbol following. (Of course, it also says "Franke & Heidecke" and "Germany" here and there.

    I think that it's a Bay 2 Rolleinar #2 -- am I right? It won't fit my camera -- it's too small.

    Thanks for your help! I'll be listing it here tomorrow (Sunday.)

    Mike

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    It sounds to me that they are an early Rolleinar set for Bayonet I.

    • Bayonet I Rolleinars and filters are marked "28,5" because the lenses on the early Automats, and the New Standard, also could use 28,5mm slip-on accessories. Bay II is marked "34" and Bay III "38" (plus the diameter symbol). Later filters and Rolleinars were not marked with diameter, only "RI, RII or RIII".
    • "D 2" probably means "Diopter 2" as in "Rolleinar 2"
    • "2 x Bajonett" means that both Rolleinars have bayonet mounts. There were also sets with one slip-on and one bayonet Proxar/Rolleinar for the Rolleiflexes and Rolleicords with bayonet on the taking lens only.
    • Your New Standard Rolleiflex has Bay I, so it's strange that the Rolleinar set is too small. If the set had Bay II they would be to large to fit.


    Can you post pictures of the set? It *should* fit your camera, so I'm curious why it doesn't.
    Last edited by JPD; 09-28-2008 at 04:48 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Does it look like this:
    Rolleinar close up lens

    Sounds like a bay 1 although I find it strange it doesn't fit on your Standard, although some post war Rollei cameras can have parts from earlier series so can have a slight variation, this is very true for cameras made 1946-49 apparently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Antony View Post
    Does it look like this:
    Rolleinar close up lens

    Sounds like a bay 1 although I find it strange it doesn't fit on your Standard, although some post war Rollei cameras can have parts from earlier series so can have a slight variation, this is very true for cameras made 1946-49 apparently.
    Mark
    It looks very much like the one in your example, except that yours has a black bevelled ring with writing, while mine has no such ring. And no case.

    I just looked again and it definately does not fit the lens on my New Standard: it's just a few mm too small in diameter. As I said, the lens hood I bought fits perfectly. I suppose that I'm assuming that the lens hood is Bay I, since other than the Rollei logo there's no writing on it or the box which would indicate size. On the other, other hand, I bought a cheap plastic "Rollei" lens cover on Ebay last week and it fits perfectly as well.

    Let's see if there's enough juice in the digicam to post a couple of photos...

    Mike
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    Very strange, as these are Bay I Rolleinars. Let's have a look at your camera and the lens hood?

    Did you mount them the correct way? The lens hood goes on the outer bayonet on the camera, and the Rolleinars in the inner bayonet.
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    From you photo it looks like a bay 1 Rolleinar. Early versions had a lens for the view and one for the taking lens and a parallax correction lens (with black bevelled ring and red dot) which was separate and mounted on the top (later ones had all in one view/correction)
    I'll bet your set is missing the 'Rolleiparkeil' correction lens.
    As to why it won't fit? I can't answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark Antony View Post
    I'll bet your set is missing the 'Rolleiparkeil' correction lens.
    It was sold separately.

    As to why it won't fit? I can't answer.
    mark
    My guess is that he tried to mount them with the wrong side on the outer bayonet. The only other possibility is that the bayonets on the camera aren't original, but the Bay I lens hood did fit so that's not likely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPD View Post
    Very strange, as these are Bay I Rolleinars. Let's have a look at your camera and the lens hood?

    Did you mount them the correct way? The lens hood goes on the outer bayonet on the camera, and the Rolleinars in the inner bayonet.
    Inner bayonet, you say? The thought never occurred to me. By George, you're right! Solved. Thank you, I appreciate iy very much.

    Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by mjs View Post
    Inner bayonet, you say? The thought never occurred to me. By George, you're right! Solved. Thank you, I appreciate iy very much.

    Mike
    Great! Why not keep the set? Get a Rolleiparkeil 2 for the parallax correction and shoot some close-ups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JPD View Post
    Great! Why not keep the set? Get a Rolleiparkeil 2 for the parallax correction and shoot some close-ups.
    I might! I've seen some very interesting portraits in the TLR group. Wife said the same thiing earlier this evening.

    Mike

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