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    RZ67 50mm or 65mm lens

    I have an RZ67 with 110mm lens. I'm looking to get a wide angle for landscape and around town shots. Cost will probably rule out the floating element models. Can anyone give some guidance on which would be better and is there any difference between the F4 and F4 W in the 65mm? Any comments greatly appreciated.

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    The W would be newer. I always forget what the improvements are over the 1st line.

    Which to get? The 65mm is already fairly wide. But it's your choice on how wide.

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    I have an RB67 with both 65mm and 50mm. For me, 65mm is ideal, it's similar to a 35mm lens on 35mm film which is perfect for my general purpose shots (I always found the 90mm on my RB67 just a little too narrow in field of view). The 50mm is pretty wide, a little too wide for most shots for me, though gives great perspective when you need it. To summarise, both focal lengths are great but I get more use out of 65mm, it's my general purpose lens if I have to take out just one focal length.

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    I have an RZ with the 50mm 4.5 W and the 75mm 3.5...I think it is an "L" lens. Both a very satisfactory lenses. I have never owned or used an RZ 65mm lens. The 75mm 3.5 lens was discountinued due to poor response in the market place...I am guessing. Certainly it is a top notch RZ lens but it is fairly rare.
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    I have an oldie rb 65 and actually it's very good. That would be the lowest end option and I think it'll satisfy you. Just be sure to hood the thing. As I mentioned elsewhere, the rb 50 is the only rb lens that disappointed me. But then again, I was comparing to the 50 on the mamiya 6, so...

    Now there is no denying that the new 50 uld is at the top of the heap, in terms of edge to edge performance. It will depend on your ultimate goals as a wide angle shooter, whether it's worth waiting and saving. I think in the broader context of how much wide angle performance has cost in the past, a used 50 uld at US$1000 or so is actually quite a bargain.

    I'll just add, for amusement, that I think the rb fisheye is shockingly good! Good enough that you might consider shooting that and cropping. Especially if you are open to post-scan corrections, I think it is a really under-rated option for ultrawide. Not in the same league as a 50 uld or 65, but I am just saying... well maybe I was expecting it to be complete crap and that's why I was so pleasantly surprised...

    I will be playing with the 75 SB this weekend and can comment later.
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    The RZ fisheye is good to Plus relatively it seems one of the better MF fisheye deals.

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    P.S. A mini-review of the 75 short barrel plus the rz tilt & shift adapter:

    After a bit of time with the 75 short barrel and the t&s adapter, I am concluding that it's really not a good solution for architecture at all. The lens is roughly 35mm equiv., which makes it much too narrow for interiors, plus the t&s gizmo gives only ~1cm up and down, delivering almost no perspective correction for buildings small enough to fit into the field of view. A ~$300 crown graphic is far more capable, in terms of rendering interiors.

    On a slightly more positive note, as a pano option, if you are open to stitching two frames together then you can probably get ~6x9 out of it using the rb 6x8 back. The image circle is probably substantial enough for that.

    On another positive note, the tilt is sufficient for some creative effects at far focus. At near focus (i.e. tabletop) it's not really going to deliver anything special in that regard- you can mount just about any of the other lenses on the t&s gizmo if close focus and a bit of tilt is the only need. In this case the t&s gizmo just acts as a t&s macro spacer.

    So for many of the purposes one associates with t&s, I think the 50 uld is far and away the best option... you would crop and/or correct perspective in post.

    Concerning build, the 75 SB is well made, but it is a *big* piece. Think rb/rz fisheye but bigger! It lacks floating element correction and also has no simple way to deploy a filter (I guess I'd put one on the back). The lens is well made and has a lovely solid metal front cap, and like most rb/rz lenses it is built for battle. If launched from a cannon it would probably penetrate armor and still be usable for photography afterwards.

    Bottom line for me: I am unconvinced by the 75 SB + t&s option; it is simply too narrow in application for my taste. The 180 SB may actually be more interesting, since it is closer to the field of view I'd want for portraits and perhaps landscapes. I find ~35mm equiv kinda blah.
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    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post
    I have an oldie rb 65 and actually it's very good. That would be the lowest end option and I think it'll satisfy you. Just be sure to hood the thing. As I mentioned elsewhere, the rb 50 is the only rb lens that disappointed me. But then again, I was comparing to the 50 on the mamiya 6, so...
    Hi Keith,

    Sorry to resurrect an old thread but I had the same question. I'm looking for a 50 or 65mm wide-angle lens for my RZ67. Why were you disappointed with the 50mm? I can't afford the ULD so I'll have to go for the regular 50mm f4.5 W. The 65mm is also an option and around the same price. I am looking for a good lens for landscape photography and for taking pictures of outdoor lighting on homes at night.

    Any help would be appreciated.

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    I'd go for the 65. I find lenses much wider than that on 6x7 to have limited utility for what I shoot when shooting landscapes. They are just too wide for me. YMMV.
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    Nick, the issues I had were with the rb 50. It had significant distortion and wasn't as critically sharp as I had hoped, especially in the corners (although, as I noted elsewhere, I was thoroughly spoiled by a 50mm on a mamiya 6 at the time I reviewed the rb 50).

    The rz 50 ULD is very good. But if it's out of your price range... well, I now have an rz 65 L-A and I like it very much. It is a very sweet lens at a good price. If you don't really need that extra few degrees of coverage, the 65 is what I'd recommend.

    For landscape and scenics you might be 100% satisfied with the non-ULD 50. For things like architecture, forget it... in my opinion.

    Overall though... for me the 65 is tops.
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