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    What camera/lens might fit the bill?

    Hello,

    I am considering a project in which I will need a camera that can shoot vertical (or square format) shots from stomach height while walking, has a lens with an approx. 90 degree AOV on the long dimension (about like an 17 - 20mm lens on 35mm), and has a flash synch that will allow fill flash in daylight. I am willing to use small format, but medium would be preferred. I could also use large format, I suppose.

    This is what I am thinking of so far:

    - Speed Graphic w/ 65mm or 75mm lens, hung sideways from the flash brackets with preset focus. Would need to purchase 65mm lens and board. I already have a 75mm Mamiya press lens that I could try to mount. ( I don't mind some vignetting.) The 75 would give me about the horizontal AOV of a 21mm on small format. Not too shabby.
    - Rent Hassy SWC. Still not very wide at about 75 degrees AOV
    - 35mm lens on Mamiya M645 held sideways. Kind of a hassle to have to hold sideways instead of letting it hang, and 35mm is not quite wide enough for what I think I want.
    - Blackbird, Fly (33mm lens) with accessory wide lens. Which accessory wide lenses might work?
    - Rollei Wide 55mm with accessory wide lens. Which accessory lenses might work?
    - 17mm lens on 35mm SLR held vertically. '60 flash synch is a likely problem.
    - Borrow a friend's EOS 1 and 17-40 zoom. Flash synch speed is better on this one, and at least it has a vertical grip and can be hung vertically. The problem is zone focusing with this lens, which, like any AF lens I've ever used, has a near-useless focusing/DOF scale.

    I also have Mamiya C and RZ systems. Is there a rectilinear lens for the RZ that is wider than 50mm? Their 30-something would be perfect, but it is a fisheye.

    Super sharpness is not necessary, but I also don't just want a totally fuzzy image.
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    Rent a RB/RZ? One of those (or both) has a rotating back that will let you shoot vertical without turning the camera. Either that, or shoot horizontal and crop, though I'm not sure about getting 90 deg AOV that way.
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    Yes, the RB's back can be rotated from landscape to portait, you can easily view TTL without flipping up the viewing diopter and the 65 would be the first lens a little wider than 90 degrees.

    'Course it would be a weighty tag-a-long on second thought. I know in that long list you swing around you have a TLR somewhere.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christopher Walrath View Post
    Yes, the RB's [...] 65 would be the first lens a little wider than 90 degrees.
    68 degrees over the diagonal, even less so over the long side?
    The 50 mm lens (shortest rectilinear wide for the RB/RZ) won't reach 90 degrees either.

    You could however use the fisheye, and de-fish the image afterwards.

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    How do you plan on composing your shot with something like a Speed or an SLR that doesn't have a waist level finder? How about using something like an Exakta with a waist level finder and a wide lens - you could mask the finder to a square format.

    Dan

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    Hi,

    Thanks for the ideas.

    I have an RZ, but there is no lens that is wide enough. on 6x7, I would need something like a 35mm lens. The RZ would be ideal for this.

    Perhaps an RB with a 6x8 back and the 50mm would do. Hard to hunt down all that stuff quickly enough, and it might be a bit out of my budget for the project.

    I don't need to compose the shots, other than generally pointing the camera toward someone. I wouldn't mind a quick composition on a WLF, but it is not necessary.

    A Sinar Handy with a 65 or 75 would be great, but they are not that common, are a bit pricey, and I already have the Speed.

    A TLR would also be the great, but I don't know how to get one with a wide enough lens, other than accessory lenses on my Rollei Wide or Blackbird, Fly.

    The 50mm on my Mamiya Press would work too, but that is a rare and expensive lens.
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    Can you rent a Mamiya 7 with the correct wide angle lens? I was going to suggest a Mamiya 645 (and crop) but the lack of leaf shutter lenses would kind of prohibit the sunlight fill flash sync. A wide TLR is probably what you want. What's the widest lens for the Mamiya C330?

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    How about an ordinary box with a 75mm or 65mm lens on the front and a film 4x5 film holder on the back. If you could get by with fixed focus, and it sounds like you can, this could be a quick and relatively inexpensive solution.

    You could start with this foamcore 4x5 pinhole design.


    I have an orphaned 75mm Super Angulon and have actually been meaning to do this.

    I think your original 4x5 crown graphic with a 65mm or 75mm lens is probably the most expedient. The 75mm Super Angulon wants to sit right on the hinge point though...so, maybe a 65mm would be better?


    If you have more cash, go for a Fotoman 45PS set up with a 65mm lens
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    I've just had a play with my Bronica SQ-B / 40mm PS Zenzanon and that seems to do the trick and it's not too heavy, either. The beauty of the 40mm lens is that you can pre-focus it and most of everything will be in focus.
    Paul Jenkin (a late developer...)

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    But a 40 mm lens on 6x6 does not cover 90 degrees on a side.

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