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    Very interesting...still don't know whether to stick with mono or not. Does anyone have more examples of the 'Novar look'?

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    You have to test for yourself, these lenses differ quite wildly after 70+ years

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    Here's one of mine, but it's a postwar coated example: Nettar 518/16 with a 75/3.5 Novar. The film is Provia 100F. I've also shot, but not yet scanned, a couple of rolls in a 516/16 with an uncoated 75/4.5 Novar---my feeling from eyeballing the results is that the colour handling of the two is actually more similar than different, with the uncoated lens not unreasonably delivering a bit lower contrast.

    I agree with Ian---you have to do some of your own testing, especially with Novars, which I gather were sourced from several different manufacturers.



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    Alex, this is very late in the discussion, but go to Flickr and check out the work of Hen's March; B/W and colour from Nettars and other older cameras. You be the judge.... here are a few examples.

    ...bit of a shortcut
    http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=nett...N05&ss=2&s=int

    also...
    http://www.flickr.com/search/groups/...5585%40N00&z=t
    Last edited by dhosten; 02-11-2011 at 02:50 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: link

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    "Color correction" is NOT intended for "color fidelity; it is done to get light of different wavelengths to all fall in the same place on the film. I have seen poorly corrected lenses where the edge of an image will vary between ~ orange (something like that) and blue at the extremeties of the field.
    Edge definition will be affected - on black and white film, as well as color.
    Carpe erratum!!

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    I shoot color negative film through my (coated) f/3.5 Novar Ikonta. It is what it is: they were consumer lenses, not designed for crazy enlargement, and you won't get good results shooting ANY triplet wide open. Stop down to f/8 (maybe f/5.6) and the results are perfectly acceptable for web scans. No, it's not sharp all the way down to the grain, yes, the contrast isn't the greatest, but I paid $25 for it and I'm satisfied. Missed focus is a much bigger problem than lens quality.

    A couple example shots from our local carnival:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42376949@N05/4867395000/
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/42376949@N05/4794651388/

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    The enthusiasm for Novars isn't because they are great lenses but because they are an awful lot better than one would expect. The 6x6 or 6x9 negative size is a big help in image quality - as a result the pictures from a Nettar can compare favorably with the best 35mm equipment.
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    Yeah, 35mm is 24x36, so 864mm^2 image area. 6x6 is 56mmx56mm image area, so 3136mm^2, 3.6x the area. If a good 35mm lens delivers 80lp/mm, a folder needs to deliver 22 lp/mm to match it. The 6x6 negative will be easier to actually get the detail off of (drum scans = $$$) and there will be less grain. Of course, there's less depth of field, unless it's a Zeiss film flatness and standard rigidity will be an issue, and guess focusing adds another way to lose a shot.

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