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    I can never decide if I want to cock the shutter of my Diana camera before or after each shot -- so I end up with a few blank negs and some double exposures -- and have one particularly nice image that was an accidental double exposure, so I can't complain! What is the old saying...Expose for the light, develop for the surprises...something like that! LOL!
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    My practice has been to wind Before rather than after, because I don't like to leave springs tensioned. I'm not sure how much danger there is of them acquiring memory, but I expect there is some, especially if I leave the camera unused for some time.

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    That is why I can't decide to do it before or after. Also, when using folders, I also worry about changing shutter speeds while the shutter is already cocked -- especially with shutters that use two different springs for short and longer exposure times.
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirius Glass View Post
    Before. After. Before. After.

    ...

    Except for the Graflex and Graphic I wind as soon as I take a photograph.

    Steve
    A recipe for confusion, for sure. Better to select the lesser of two evils and standardize accordingly, at least for this guy, who is:

    1. ADD (therefore, quite prone to distraction)
    2. getting old (loosing reliability of memory)

    If you don't yet have a problem with the second mentioned, you will, sooner than you think! Habits become more important.

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    Thanks Steve -- I just checked my Speed Graphic -- and yep, there was tension on the focal plane shutter. Now released (after years of being under tension). It is a little relunctant to go from 1.5 to T and T to 0. Should one set the spring tension at any particular setting during non-use (mine has 6 spring tension settings)?

    Vaughn
    At least with LF landscape, a bad day of photography can still be a good day of exercise.

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    This highlights the only advantage I've discovered so far of also having a shutter that requires manual cocking.

    When I'm using my cameras that don't have double exposure prevention, I always wind the film immediately after taking a shot. I wait, however, until I'm ready to take the next shot before cocking the shutter.
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    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    You can leave tension on springs and nothing will happen to them.
    Perhaps some creep. But before you notice any effect of that, you'll children's children will be telling stories about the good old days when they were young to their children's children.

    So whatever you decide, before or after, don't decide to go with 'before' because of fears about what keeping a spring tensioned might do. For it does nothing.


    Spring tension does nothing to the metal they are made of, unless you put so much tension on them that they break. So it doesn't matter either at what setting you keep them.

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    Hey, NJS, I did exactly SQ-A, shots about 8 shots, then noticed the film counter was still on 1. At first I thought I'd not loaded the camera properly, then when I got home I noticed I'd left the multi-exposure lever engaged. DOH! Live and learn.

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    In the case of folders, a lot of people think it's better to wind before the shot than after, because opening the camera from the folded position can create a vacuum effect and pull the film away from the pressure plate. Winding on should take up any slack and give you flatter film. I don't know how significant this effect is in the real world, especially since folders aren't that great at film flatness anyway.

    The main thing is just to have a consistent routine. Even so, with any camera that doesn't have an interlock between winding and cocking, it just seems to be a law of nature that double exposures happen occasionally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bowzart View Post
    A recipe for confusion, for sure. Better to select the lesser of two evils and standardize accordingly, at least for this guy, who is:

    1. ADD (therefore, quite prone to distraction)
    2. getting old (loosing reliability of memory)

    If you don't yet have a problem with the second mentioned, you will, sooner than you think! Habits become more important.
    OMG, how do you know me? Are you looking over my shoulder? Are YOU my evil twin? Or am I the evil twin? I know, our wives met at WalMart and started comparing notes.

    The shutter is a basic simple type that re cocks after every shot. You can activate the shutter time and time again just by hitting the shutter release so that is one reason I forget to advance the film. When I got off of work this morning I stopped by an old cemetery near where I live and took two landscape shots and one portrait shot of a tall monument all on the same frame. Who knows, it may come out in processing as a good shot but the two landscape shots were just bracketing the same shot with different settings. It's just going to take time getting used to this camera.It's good to know that this is not just me, thanks for the input y'all.
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