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    I have the option of buying an M645 Super with either tge 80/2.8 or 110/2.8 lens. I think both are C lenses. Which one should I go for? I can only afford one. I've read that some people say the 110 is outstanding, while others say it's just decent. I mainly do streetshots and close up portraits, so closest focusing distance is important to me.

    Also, included in the kit is the 'Prism N'. What is the difference between this prism and the plain vanilla
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    I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks in advance.

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    The 110 doesn't grow on trees and is usually a bit pricey; the 80 is cheap and widely available. The 110 is a very nice short portrait lens. Why not get the 110 now and an inexpensive 80 or even a 55 later? Isn't the Prism N metered and the plain one not?

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    CGW: thanks for your input, i tend to agree with your suggestion. But how does the 110 compare image quality-wise to the 80/2.8? Sharper, better OOF areas?

    Re: the prism N, I have no idea. I havent looked at manuals yet, but info seems to be sparse on the innernet.

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    I find the 80/2.8 to be pin-sharp, as is the 110 and even the 150. The real difference is in min. focus distance. For the 80(70cm); the 110(120cm); and the 150/3.5(150cm). The early model prisms for the Super look much the same except for the dials on the metered model. Both are reasonably bright. In 35mm terms, the 80 is close to 50mm; the 110 about 68mm; and the 150 about 93mm. Both the 80mm and 150mm are very common and usually cheap. Both the 110 and especially the 80/1.9 are way pricier.

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    The 80 is an awesome lens. I dn't have any experience with the 110 but do use the 150 quite frequently too.
    The good thng in your case is that thee 80 is small and light. It would do well with street shooting. You can crop alot with the big negative while retaining good image quality.

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    80mm is pretty much the "standard" lens, just like 50mm lens on 35mm cameras. If it is going to be your ONLY lens, I'd recommend it. I have no experience with 110mm.

    I have 80mm f/2.8 and 150mm f/3.5. They are both very sharp, certainly sharp enough for every use I've encountered so far. I don't think you'll have anything to complain about. While you can buy these REALLY cheaply these days, they are/were pro grade lens people paid hundreds when new. You are getting really great stuff for cheap!
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    Get the 110mm

    I have both the 110mm and 80mm and they're equally fine. But the 110mm is one of my all-time favorite lenses. It's really just a slightly long "normal" lens, equal to about a 70mm lens on a 35mm camera. It's wonderful for portraits or for getting just a bit more distance from your subject when working with studio lights. I get around the minimum focusing distance with a B+W +1 close-up lens. It lets me get as close as I can hand-hold the camera.

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    I'd get the 110. The 80 is common and cheap as dirt, and the 110 can be a very useful focal length. I love the 105 for the Mamiya TLR system, and I also use the 80. I sold the 105, but not because I considered it redundant; just because I wanted to get one in better condition, and recoup some of the cost of the kit in which I got the lens. I am sure the 110 is a fine lens in terms of sharpness and what have you, as every lens in any decent medium format system that I have tried is just fine in this area.
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    In essence, I gave my 80mm lens away (well, maybe one could describe it as a long term loan).

    I find a 55mm, 110mm, 210mm kit to be really useful for the 645.

    The 110mm works well with an extension tube.
    Matt

    “Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”

    Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2

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    I second the thoughts that favor the 110mm over the "normal" 80mm. I've found both of them to be optically very good, allthough the 110, impresses me more and I found it more usefull, specially for portraits and small things w/ ext. tube or c/up lens. A nice outfit can be made with the 35,55,110 and a 210 or 300mm lenses that would give just about everything.Good luck

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