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    Thanks Ian,

    I just received a pre WWII 6x9 cm Welta Weltur from Jurgen Kreckel certo6. So far I have not found a serial number on the body. The link to the serial number listing you gave helped me date the Compur Rapid shutter as early 1939 and Carl Zeiss Jena f4.5 uncoated Tessar as late 1937. The lens must have sat in someone’s inventory for a while until the rest of the camera was put together just before Blitz Krieg started. Thanks for helping identify an approximate build date.

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    It's quite common for the shutter & lens dates to differ by a year or two, obviously manufacturers bought them in batches and some sat on shelves longer than others as you say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Grant View Post
    It's quite common for the shutter & lens dates to differ by a year or two, obviously manufacturers bought them in batches and some sat on shelves longer than others as you say.

    Ian
    "Just in Time" logistics were 50 years away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jp80874 View Post
    "Just in Time" logistics were 50 years away.

    John
    That just in time ideology was what really hit Agfa, Kodak, Fuji & Ilford hard 6 or 7 years ago.

    Big stores & particularly chains cut out a tier of stock levels, in addition independent wholesalers disappeared.

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    As stated previously, if it says Jena it's East, Opton or just Carl Zeiss, it's West.
    Jenas can be great, better optically than the Western ones even, so, choose wisely and you will be rewarded!

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    Quote Originally Posted by André E.C. View Post
    Jenas can be great, better optically than the Western ones even, so, choose wisely and you will be rewarded!
    I can confirm the CZJ greatness, as I shoot Pentacon Six mount cameras. The late MC versions are truly outstanding.

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    There were also the CZJ lenses made for Bronicas, these were equally as good as the Zenzanon, Nikkor and Komura lenses available for the same cameras.

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    Quote Originally Posted by theoria View Post
    Thanks Andy for pointing out that issue about the rangefinder. Good to know its quirks, and go beyond fixing the obvious holes in the bellows. Do you have scans of pictures taken with some of the Ikontas in your collection, so that I could have a standard for what the camera is capable? I am prepared to take it to a specialist to do precision restoration work, if needed, but I don't want to chase an image quality that might not be achievable. I must confess, I've never shot a camera that old (except maybe for my grandfather's Agfa Box, when I was a kid). My oldest lens is a 65mm Zeiss Jena Flektogon for P6, manufactured in the mid-sxties, which is still quite a capable piece of photographic equipment. I feel this camera is going to be fun...
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    Sorry, I haven't found scans from my Ikontas (I hope they aren't lost...).
    I remember that B&W pics of my (coated) 531/2 were excellent.
    But these cameras aren't easy to use, with too small viewfinders, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andy38 View Post
    Sorry, I haven't found scans from my Ikontas (I hope they aren't lost...).
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    Well, then I'l post some myself, after I'll get the camera.

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    This one is shot with a 1937 uncoated Tessar. F 4 if my memory serves me right - heavy overcast day. Slightly front-focus.

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