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    "Bellows wrinkle??" Calling all native English speakers

    I am looking at a Mamiya RB body at KEH. The description says
    RB67 PRO-SD WITHOUT WAISTLEVEL BELLOWS WRINKLE MEDIUM FORMAT SLR MANUAL FOCUS CAMERA BODY
    The condition is EX. I know that all bellows are sort of wrinkled, that's how they fold. But does this mean a defect on this particular item? I understand that you do not work at KEH but I am curious to know if you natives could inform me if this is a normal phrase that means that the bellows are somewhat damaged?

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    I think it means that the bellows has a slight fault - usually in one of the corner folds which won't be folded perfectly any more.
    This is probably nothing to worry about - my older LF cameras have a few of these in the bellows and they aren't a problem. *Pinholes* in the bellows would be a bigger issue as they can let in light leaks.

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    It doesn't make sense, I'd email and ask them

    Probably someone's bad description of bellows.

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    Mats,
    The wording in that description is a bit unusual.
    The use of the word wrinkle (and in this context), normally means something is wrong.
    Email KEH, and get a clarification, maybe a photo of the camera with bellows extended.

    English is my native language, (American English), and the use of the word wrinkle,
    while trying to describe the condition of camera bellows, is confusing to me,
    (and probably to most English language users), so don't feel bad about asking.

    I think KEH should use words like "the folds" or "the creases" have issue, but not wrinkle.

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    I have a bellows that has a wrinkle. Its a crease that won't fold properly, and appears wrinkled instead of flat like the other creases. It has no ill effect on the use of the bellows, but I suspect it may shorten the life span of it.
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    Thanks all. As usual this site is a goldmine of information. I have sent an email to KEH asking for some clarification. I just wanted to check that I wasn't going to ask a completely silly question. Looking stupid is easier among people who already knows you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

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    Bellows Wrinkle

    I wouldn't think twice about it :KEH grade pretty much on cosmetics : ie the wrinkle may offend your eye, but it is unlikely to offend your film.

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    It probably means that the [double] bellows is a bit caved in or bent in an area. But you can call them to find out for sure. They may even take a pic for you.
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    When I get a wrinkle in the bellows of my RB67, I get out my iron and ironing board and fix it!

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    KEH says
    A bellows "wrinkle" just means that there is
    a significant crease in the bellows that is perpendicular to the bellows folds.
    I have asked if it's purely cosmetical but since it's Saturday it might take a while for me to get an answer.

    Can someone with experience of bellow cameras (or RB 67:s) please inform me if this is an issue. I don't mind ugly but if it affects functionality and lifetime of bellows that's something else.
    All KEH items are prewrapped and stored. I don't think I can get a picture of it.

    Decisions, decisions.....

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