I joined this forum at about the same time you did. You have posted 8296 messages to the forum but I had only 241. Hum... Guess who is pushing his/her own agenda. It sure is an APUG tradition that I have not picked up yet...
Originally Posted by Sirius Glass
By the way, there is currently a nice P67-ii on eBay. People have bid it up to $1325 and there is still more than a day for the auction to go. It sure looks hot:
It does look nice. For now I'm just looking for a local sale to keep things simple.
Originally Posted by mtjade2007
I'm surprised how much a P67ii sells for nowadays, the price is much more (in percentage terms) than a 6x7, and is about the same amount of money as a decent DSLR (yeh, I know, comparing apples with oranges and all that...). Or about the same as a typical 500cm+lens+back.
I agree that it is very common for people to go off and push for something else not mentioned by the OP. The problem is all the replies to this thread up to the one from me were not pushing for C. All were on the subject about upgrading from P67 to P67-ii. Maybe I need to relearn English. Did I miss something among the replies?
Thanks for the explanation. I did not get the humor. English is my 2nd language, actually the 3rd. Sorry about that. This forum offers so much for me and I really appreciate it. Thanks again.
I'd not "upgrade" until the old one dies. If it ain't broke, don't fix it, as the saying goes.
An in-camera meter may speed up your shooting, but it will also provide you with worse exposures, simply due to the fact that it is a reflected meter that reads the composition, rather than an incident meter that reads the light. Is getting worse (but probably usable, most of the time) exposures worth the convenience?
As for aperture priority, the same comments apply, as that mode gets it's information from the in-camera light meter.
In other words, it seems like a great expense for things that are not only unneeded, but will actually make your pictures worse (in a technical sense).
And besides all that, the old ones just feel way better in the hand to me, and in overall feel.
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The 67II has a number of features which, for me, make it a worthwhile upgrade. Most notably is the much brighter viewfinder, which is attributed to the 67II's focus screens, which are easily interchanged and IMHO, superior to the beattie screens, which my older 67 has. If you do a lot of long exposure work the 67II has a switch that locks the miiror up instead of using battery power. This significantly extends battery life if you're doing long exposures.
As to 2F/2F's comments, I can only say that as someone who has used the 67 system for over 10 years, I disagree that the older 67's feel better in the hand. Since I got a 67II, the 67 has been collecting dust. This is purely a matter of personal preference, you'd have to handle both and decide for yourself.
Using a reflected light meter doesn't necessarily result in worse exposures. Like all instruments you have to know how to use them. I believe Ansel Adams used reflected light spot meters with pretty good results.
The problem with the 67II's is the price, which has gone up in recent months. If i were looking for one, I'd try to find the body only, as the price of the AE prism is in the $500 range.
I use a handheld incident meter for most of my photos, except where I'm trying to get a quick/easy photo when a built-in reflected light meter would be handy. However, as the 6x7 family is not exactly a convenient point-and-shoot camera, it's more likely I'll be using the handheld meter and using a 35mm camera for the on-the-move photos.
The brighter screen in the 67ii does appeal. Ideally I'd just change the one in my 6x7 but from what I've read it's not a user-servicable item, like in (for example) my F3.
Thanks to all posters in this thread for an interesting variety of aspects to consider. I think if 67ii bodies were cheaper the upgrade would be a no-brainer, but at their current cost I'm having second thoughts about the plan.