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    I don't know if this is a viable solution to get Leica R lenses on a Nikon body for you but for the sake of completeness: http://www.leitax.com/leica-lens-for-nikon-cameras.html
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    Rol-Lei Nut has pretty well summed it up. Avoid the R3 and first version of the R4, the electronics WILL fail. The problem was cured with the R4s and later models. If you can find and afford it, the SL2 is a great thing, but you may be able to get the R6 for similar money as collectors have forced up the price of the former.
    The lenses are all excellent but although they don't go for stupid M prices, they still aren't cheap.

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    Bought myself a Leica R8 + 35-70/50/80-200 lenses a few months ago, both body and all lenses were new and unused. Took some time to decide to buy it or not.

    I just love it, absolutely fantastic. Yes it's big, heavy and bulky, but I love making photographs with it. After years or trying and buying 35mm SLR cameras I've now found peace. R8 and OM-1 are now my #1 and #2.

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    There is no reason to avoid the Leica R cameras. Sure some of the Nikons are more robust than some of the Leicas, but I don't know anybody that is giving them the day to day pounding they got in the 70's and 80's. I used to put 100' a week through my cameras and many pros shot a whole lot more.

    The R3 and R4 were the weakest of the Leica bodies, but I personally thought even those were fine cameras to work with. If they work I wouldn't worry about either. If they break, a replacement is cheaper than a good overhaul on a Nikon.

    The R4 had one of the best finders I've ever used.

    I wish you folks would stop, you're making me miss those Leica lenses. When I said I wouldn't switch again today, it was based on the prices, but it is really more that old Nikon lenses are a bargain than that the Leica lenses are all that overpriced. The R lens prices have been pulled up by the vastly higher prices of later Leica lenses (R & M); old Nikon lens prices have been driven down because of the huge number produced, and lack of demand for manual focus lenses. I'm too cheap to spend the cash for the R lenses today, but if you can afford them they are great lenses (I would avoid the very early wides).

    Sleeper lenses that were still affordable (last I looked, maybe not anymore) are the old style 50 Summicron for SL/SL2 and most 135 Elmarits. I suppose the mod'ers may have driven those up too by now.
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    Nikon vs. Leicaflex R... hmm.

    One of my SL2s had a battery compartment that wouldn't stop corroding over. Take the battery out, put in a new one, and 2 weeks later, more corrosion. Sent it to Leitz for 5 weeks to get it fixed.
    My second SL2 jammed within a month of getting it (all my equipment was purchased new). Came back still jammed. Another 5 weeks at Leitz! It also tended to have the shutter speed dial loosen up on occasion.
    I had an R3 that had its self-timer lever fall off. I was standing in shin-high grass, and I felt something hit the top of my boot. It was a miracle, I'm sure, that I looked down and saw the self timer lying on top of my boot.
    I had another R3 that had the glass (you looked through to see the film cannister inside) fall off.
    Those cameras were the most sensitive, fragile cameras I ever used, and I've gone through a lot (no thanks to my bi-polar disorder). You couldn't give me Leica R equipment (well, you could, but I'd sell it immediately)

    Now for the lenses. I had a brand new 60mm Macro elmarit-R squeal like a freight train's wheels whenever I tried to focus it. Had to be relubricated.
    The 21mm super-angulon R had a shade that fell apart in my hands when I went to remove it. Super glue fixed that.
    I also had a 90mm f/2.0 R lens that I dropped about 2 inches onto a glass counter top. Every time I went to change filters, the entire front of the lens would unscrew with it. I wound up supergluing the front on.
    Oh yeah, I had several R lenses have their black finish start flaking off. It must have been my sweat, because I lived in New Orleans and it's hot in summers (none of my Pentax, Canon, and Nikon lenses ever blistered). One of the lenses was replaced under warranty because the blistering was so bad.

    I figure I must have had about 50 Nikkor lenses since 1979. Out of all of them, I had one lens replaced... it was a 50mm f/2.8 Micro-Nikkor that had the finish inside the lens flaking off (I only had the lens a couple of days, so none of my "corrosive" sweat ever got inside.

    I hope this helps someone decide which system to use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisatchie View Post
    Nikon vs. Leicaflex R... hmm.

    One of my SL2s had a battery compartment that wouldn't stop corroding over. Take the battery out, put in a new one, and 2 weeks later, more corrosion. Sent it to Leitz for 5 weeks to get it fixed.
    My second SL2 jammed within a month of getting it (all my equipment was purchased new). Came back still jammed. Another 5 weeks at Leitz! It also tended to have the shutter speed dial loosen up on occasion.
    I had an R3 that had its self-timer lever fall off. I was standing in shin-high grass, and I felt something hit the top of my boot. It was a miracle, I'm sure, that I looked down and saw the self timer lying on top of my boot.
    I had another R3 that had the glass (you looked through to see the film cannister inside) fall off.
    Those cameras were the most sensitive, fragile cameras I ever used, and I've gone through a lot (no thanks to my bi-polar disorder). You couldn't give me Leica R equipment (well, you could, but I'd sell it immediately)

    Now for the lenses. I had a brand new 60mm Macro elmarit-R squeal like a freight train's wheels whenever I tried to focus it. Had to be relubricated.
    The 21mm super-angulon R had a shade that fell apart in my hands when I went to remove it. Super glue fixed that.
    I also had a 90mm f/2.0 R lens that I dropped about 2 inches onto a glass counter top. Every time I went to change filters, the entire front of the lens would unscrew with it. I wound up supergluing the front on.
    Oh yeah, I had several R lenses have their black finish start flaking off. It must have been my sweat, because I lived in New Orleans and it's hot in summers (none of my Pentax, Canon, and Nikon lenses ever blistered). One of the lenses was replaced under warranty because the blistering was so bad.

    I figure I must have had about 50 Nikkor lenses since 1979. Out of all of them, I had one lens replaced... it was a 50mm f/2.8 Micro-Nikkor that had the finish inside the lens flaking off (I only had the lens a couple of days, so none of my "corrosive" sweat ever got inside.

    I hope this helps someone decide which system to use.
    I could also post all kinds of anecdotal evidence of which my most-failed cameras were (want to guess?), how a Leica has never failed me, how I dropped a Tele-Elmarit 90mm from waist height onto concrete (wrote off the lens shade, no other damage) and how 2 lenses and one meter of some brand were all returned to the Mfg. 3 times before working properly.

    Anecdotal evidence is, well... anecdotal.
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    I still have a couple of SL's, can't imagine anything would fall off them....beautifully made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kisatchie View Post
    Nikon vs. Leicaflex R... hmm.

    One of my SL2s had a battery compartment that wouldn't stop corroding over. Take the battery out, put in a new one, and 2 weeks later, more corrosion. Sent it to Leitz for 5 weeks to get it fixed.
    My second SL2 jammed within a month of getting it (all my equipment was purchased new). Came back still jammed. Another 5 weeks at Leitz! It also tended to have the shutter speed dial loosen up on occasion.
    I had an R3 that had its self-timer lever fall off. I was standing in shin-high grass, and I felt something hit the top of my boot. It was a miracle, I'm sure, that I looked down and saw the self timer lying on top of my boot.
    I had another R3 that had the glass (you looked through to see the film cannister inside) fall off.
    Those cameras were the most sensitive, fragile cameras I ever used, and I've gone through a lot (no thanks to my bi-polar disorder). You couldn't give me Leica R equipment (well, you could, but I'd sell it immediately)

    Now for the lenses. I had a brand new 60mm Macro elmarit-R squeal like a freight train's wheels whenever I tried to focus it. Had to be relubricated.
    The 21mm super-angulon R had a shade that fell apart in my hands when I went to remove it. Super glue fixed that.
    I also had a 90mm f/2.0 R lens that I dropped about 2 inches onto a glass counter top. Every time I went to change filters, the entire front of the lens would unscrew with it. I wound up supergluing the front on.
    Oh yeah, I had several R lenses have their black finish start flaking off. It must have been my sweat, because I lived in New Orleans and it's hot in summers (none of my Pentax, Canon, and Nikon lenses ever blistered). One of the lenses was replaced under warranty because the blistering was so bad.

    I decided to take a closer look at this post.....

    1) Leaking (& corroding) batteries are usually not the camera's fault, but generally poor quality batteries. Could be caused by a short or even possibly by the meter always being left on. Camera's fault? Unlikely...
    2) Jamming & loose shutter speed dial. Possible. Was it really sent to Leitz in Germany or some other "authorized" repair facility?
    3) Lost self timer. Possible. I don't have an R3 to see how it's attached.
    4) Lost film reminder window. Possible, though a sharp knock often helps...
    5) 60mm that sounded like a freight train. New?(!!) Any lens of any brand that's been used on a beach as child's toy will sound like that.
    6) 21mm lens shade. That lens shade has some set screws which hold it together and allow finely setting its orientation. Time & vibration (esp. in a vehcle or plane) can loosen screws. Super-glue??!!?? Definitely overkill!
    7) Loose front lens ring. While possibly caused by a knock, more usually vibration is the cause. Easily tightened using a piece of rubber. Happens to all brands.
    8) Black finish flaking. Makes me wonder about local environmental conditions (more the chemical than the climatic variety) or the user's diet...

    So many loosening screws & rings & jams, apart from extreme bad luck or a jinx, could really be due to vibration: camera left in a glove compartment/floor of a car, in an airplane baggage rack without enough cushioning, in a motorcycle trunk ect..
    IMHO, there also seems to be a certain degree of mechanical insensitivity or awareness on the part of the user.

    About sensationalistic posts: a few days ago I had a look at the "junk box" in a local camera shop, of the 10 Nikkor lenses in it, all 10 were broken!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rol_Lei Nut View Post
    8) Black finish flaking. Makes me wonder about local environmental conditions (more the chemical than the climatic variety) or the user's diet...
    That one at least is well documented. The anodizing on Leica lens (R & M) was not always the best, but usually you just see minor wear and tear. But I believe there was a brief time when the produced some seriously flawed anodizing that flaked off badly. I've seen or heard of it rarely, but I seem to remember a bad case with a 6 element 35 Summicron M, so probably early 70's.

    I'm sure Sherry Krauter could tell you exactly when this happened. She also documented the various issues with the SL and SL2 (called them "silent recalls" I think). She knows these cameras literally inside out and speaks very highly of them (not so with the R3 and R4:-).

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    Made a mistake...

    Made the mistake of going to the rental/consignment store to try out a copy of a Leica R3 and a 50mm F2 (just for feel).

    I have to say that I'm very very impressed by the build quality. It's like my Nikon F3 but better. Viewfinder is easy to use (the K screen on the F3 is really difficult the lower the light gets), dials are nice and tight (doesn't feel loose) and the shutter is ever so ... hmm... "quiant"? Not much of a "thwack" and more like a "punt". Would love to see how the image quality is coming from one of those Leica lenses *drool*.

    I have to say that I still love my F3 and will be practicing with it for the long little while now as I still can't justify a total switch to an R system (say a Leica R4 and Leica Summicron R 50mm F2). It's just way out of my budget. And at the moment I don't think the improvements I get can justify my cost but maybe sometime down the road when I feel the need to take my art to another level.

    My question is... with the R system discontinued, what future do the R lenses have beyond the Leica R bodies? Maybe mounted on a Canon/Nikon full frame digital? (oops! Sorry! bad word there! LOL)... with an adaptor?

    Looked into the Leitax option briefly... looks interesting.

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