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    I'd recommend you get an M2 or M3 and the Zeiss lens. I have the 35/2 Biogon and love it. Use it on my MP and M2. I'd get the Zeiss 50/2 but love my 50/2 Summicron DR too much and have the Zeiss 45/2 Planar on my G2.

    The M2 I just got from Youxin for $550. A total user but fully CLA'd by Youxin and smoooooth as silk with a buttery shutter. He usually has a few M2 and M3 bodies around, contact him and discuss your desire for condition you want as he'll compare to what he's got and quote you well.

    I'm sure the Zeiss Ikon are nice but I think they are a but pricey for what you're getting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin Corneau View Post
    On a related note, don't be so quick to write off Leica bodies for price. Some fine quality ones out there for around a grand, sometimes less. No reason you can't be happy with an M3, or an M4 (heck I won a bit of a lottery in finding my M6 for $1K but that's another story).

    Good luck with your journey.
    Most Leica's don't have metering, and the one's that do don't offer an Aperture priority mode. That's my problem with them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zsas View Post
    I went through the same mess recently, and ended up getting a Contax G2, you can save $1K going that route and get the same quality, but it is a much differnt type of system....food for thought....reguardless....if you can afford it, get that Zeiss if the Contax G2 isnt your cup a tea....
    Aren't the G2s autofocus??

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    Yes the G2 is AF, so if you need traditional manual focus don't give the G2 a thought. It does have a manual focus ability but it gives no conformation like a traditional patch RF. It measures what it is focusing on (in meters only) and then you can dial it in manually. Much much different than a trad RF but food for thought....
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    Rule 1 - don't go to APUG if you want to be persuaded against buying a camera.
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    “Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”

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    I should mention I also own a Fuji GA645 and a GA645zi and a slew of 6x6 cameras, mostly Rolleiflex TLRs yet I still love and use my Leicas and Contax G2.
    Last edited by Richard Sintchak (rich815); 08-26-2012 at 08:33 PM. Click to view previous post history.
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    Brian, if it was need we would all be shooting P&S little cameras. It's about the enjoyment of the craft and the cameras. As long as it isn't taking food off the table, or costing a kid an education, go for it. It's easier to sell it when you tire of it, than to wonder what it might have been like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brian steinberger View Post
    Most Leica's don't have metering, and the one's that do don't offer an Aperture priority mode. That's my problem with them.
    Time to take it to the next level.... :-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rich815 View Post
    Time to take it to the next level.... :-)
    And guess exposure? Not a very efficient way to work. I know there are those who can do that successfully but I have never been one of them...

    I have a spot meter and use it when I'm working slowly but with this 35 RF I'd like to work quickly and having aperture priority mode helps me do that.

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    I'm also an RF645 fan (have two, the most recent of which I bought because it came with a 45mm lens and a polarizer filter... ;-). I've also owned the Ikon, and currently own an M2.

    Most of my photography is in two different areas: (1) daytime portraits of people, cities, and landscapes, and (2) low-light/contrasty pictures of performances (circus, cabaret, vaudeville) in small clubs. The RF645 is wonderful for the former, but not so good for the latter, as you may have found. I've shot many rolls of MF Delta 3200 (usually at 1600, always dev'ed in Microphen), at f/4 @ 1/125, and can just *barely* get useful shots. When I get a good one, it's excellent: lots of tone, relatively little grain. But that route has ultimately been frustrating: f/4 (or 4.5, with the 100mm) is just not enough light, and not enough flexibility.

    As you've posited, 35mm RFs work wonderfully in low light, and if you have a fast lens, you should be able to shoot with some degree of adjustability, rather than being at the extremes, as I often find myself with the RF645. I'm currently using a Voigtlander 75/2.5 for most of this work, and it's alright, although I've realized that a faster 50mm would be more useful -- in fact, I've just ordered the Zeiss 50/1.4 Sonnar, and am looking forward to using it.

    I wasn't all that pleased with the Ikon. It shot okay, but is not built nearly as nicely as the Bronica, nor a Leica. The meter is fine in daylight, but jumpy; I found it was much easier for low-light subjects just to use the external spot meter and set the Ikon manually, occasionally flipping shutter speed to allow for brighter/dimmer light. The Bronica's meter is fantastic, and you're probably spoiled by it, as I was. The viewfinder of the Ikon is bright -- like your Bronica -- but the readout is not nearly as nice. Instead of the clear side-display of those green LCDs, you have very bright red shutter numbers, super-imposed on the image. I found them distracting, when I could even see them (I wear glasses).

    I sold the Ikon a year ago, but recently dove back into 35mm, first through an M4P (too many framelines, and felt a bit chintzy), then an M6TTL (whose meter seemed to fail immediately), and now to a 1950s-era M2, which is wonderful. I carry a meter, which really isn't a big deal, and is freeing in some ways. (Granted, I learned on an old Rolleiflex, also w/o built-in metering.)

    So there are my observations. A final observation I'll leave you with is that I've realized that it's always a problem for me when I have two cameras that are too similar. If I have multiple cameras, I've learned that they should have radically different looks and feels (both in shooting & imaging). At the moment, anyway, I'm very much enjoying the M2 and its mechanical nature. I know I'll pick up the Bronica for something a bit slower and less everyday, and the Rolleiflex for something even slower. All have their purposes, and individual personalities.

    Hope this helps.

    --John

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