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    Quote Originally Posted by kimoni View Post
    Can you explain a bit more fully about the pinhole camera, I don't quite understand what you mean. I know what a pinhole camera is but how does this manipulate the film? Is this still using 35mm film?
    John referred to a camera that does not use a frame (as do all common 35mm cameras) to limit the film area being exposed.
    As furthermore with a pinhole camera the image angle is only be limited by the light fall-off, a large area of 35mm film can be exposed.

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    hi kimoni

    they kind of said what i was thinking of
    having fun with 35mm film is fun and it is fun to enlarge
    something small and make it big ( and the destruction big too )
    but if you make a pinhole camera out of any sort of box ..
    make it black inside and make a tiny aperture out of thin metal stock
    http://www.google.com/search?client=...UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
    so the negative you start out with ( film or paper ) won't be so small you might have an easier time
    destroying / experimenting / manipulating specific areas of your negative.
    you can also manipulate it / destroy it while you are processing it
    and with the red light you can see exactly what is going on ...
    if you specifically want FILM, you can get xray film, it is slow like paper
    and each sheet cost pennies instead of dollars.

    have fun !
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    If you can consistently replicate static in the camera, you might be able to do stuff like this

    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum37/1...ened-here.html

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    Ah I see what you mean about the pinhole camera now.

    To be honest I'm nowhere near as pro as some of you are, like I said I'm just an amateur but I like to experiment. I don't develop my own film in a darkroom unfortunately I don't know how, I either have my film developed professionally or I scan my negatives in with a scanner.

    Saying that, there's a photographic studio down the road who run courses in developing film so maybe I'll give that a go. I really like the idea of the pinhole camera so I will look into that further. Where's best to find film for this (larger than 35mm??)

    Thanks for all your helpful replies

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    Quote Originally Posted by kimoni View Post
    I don't develop my own film in a darkroom unfortunately I don't know how,...
    It's so easy, give it a try.



    A basic instruction from the industry can be found here:
    http://www.ilfordphoto.com/applicati...load.asp?n=386

    An introduction by an Apugger:
    http://www.apug.org/forums/forum221/...rocessing.html


    Furthermore you can get second hand textbooks on analog photography and darkroom work for next to nothing.
    Yes, there is life beyond the net...

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    Wow cool stuff

    Quote Originally Posted by gandolfi View Post
    Almost like Joel Peter Witkin. But less creepy.
    "Photography, like surfing, is an infinite process, a constantly evolving exploration of life."
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    Weegee would deform a piece of plastic in hot water and hold it in front of the camera lens. The results were something like the mirrors in the fun house. The most famous is a series on Marilyn Monroe.
    A rock pile ceases to be a rock pile the moment a single man contemplates it, bearing within him the image of a cathedral.

    ~Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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    This is way up my "how I'm thinking these days" alley...

    I'd try chemical destruction for the basic image... underexpose and overdevelop like crazy. Try really warm developer. (Shoot a little flat though). Grainy film pushed in warm rodinal.

    Yep, learn to develop - you can do it cheap without a darkroom. Changing bag, tank and reel. (get a plastic reel and you can process a few frames at a time to dial in chemical processes).

    Generational image destruction: Shoot (maybe as above); contact print the neg onto film to make a positive. Contact that again to make a negative.

    Double expose subjects followed by textures like rough walls, etc. Make a black mask so the texture is stronger at the image edges.

    Physical destruction: spray developed film with upside-down canned air (liquid-nitrogen-style frozen gas comes out). Wear gloves, use tongs or hemostats. Manipulate the frozen film or drop into hot or boiling water. (I have no idea what this will do, but the sudden and extreme temp change could cause cracks or crazing that's very organic).

    Try burying film for a week, 2 weeks, 3 weeks after processing. Try to get mold attacking the emulsion. Could give you some crazy organic stuff. Water the "grave" with beer (many molds like it). Again, could give you some very organic effects.

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    Scan it into photoshop and then go crazy
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