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    Quote Originally Posted by culturesponge View Post
    imho best 35mm SLR is the EOS 1v - no bigger or heavier than it needs to be + 100% visibility in the viewfinder + have dozens of lenses that will work on the lens mount with inexpensive adapters + good battery life & masses of bells & whistles if needed.

    also it's not hard to find a good used one at a reasonable price + you can still purchase them brand new!
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    I agree with this entirely. Rapid frame rate with hs grip, rapid autofocus, plenty of af points, eyepiece cover included, seemingly bullet proof build quality. It must be the most useful 35mm slr ever made.

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    This discussion is, as expected, leading nowhere.

    Again, one man's ceiling is another man's floor.
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

    "...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thomas Bertilsson View Post
    This discussion is, as expected, leading nowhere.

    Again, one man's ceiling is another man's floor.
    +1. Highly predictable. There should be a law similar to Godwin's, that says the likelihood of a comparison of cameras or brands leading to a meaningful discussion is rather low when it starts, and approaches zero the longer it goes on.

    For me, the best camera when I started was the Nikon FM, because that is what I bought when I had money for my first camera, and it forced me to learn everything about exposure etc when I was a young lad. Now, even though my tools are different, I know the basics as second nature, and seldom if ever have any trouble with exposure. As a student in 1991, I did a month long hike through Malawi with only the FM and a 35-105 and 135/2.8 lenses. After a week the battery died. I guessed the exposures from there on, and had about 80% correctly exposed shots, within half a stop. Learning with a fully automatic camera is probably the worst thing one can do. How I pity today's kids that have everything fall into their lap without having to think or measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dorff View Post
    +1. Highly predictable. There should be a law similar to Godwin's, that says the likelihood of a comparison of cameras or brands leading to a meaningful discussion is rather low when it starts, and approaches zero the longer it goes on.

    For me, the best camera when I started was the Nikon FM, because that is what I bought when I had money for my first camera, and it forced me to learn everything about exposure etc when I was a young lad. Now, even though my tools are different, I know the basics as second nature, and seldom if ever have any trouble with exposure. As a student in 1991, I did a month long hike through Malawi with only the FM and a 35-105 and 135/2.8 lenses. After a week the battery died. I guessed the exposures from there on, and had about 80% correctly exposed shots, within half a stop. Learning with a fully automatic camera is probably the worst thing one can do. How I pity today's kids that have everything fall into their lap without having to think or measure.
    Too much thinking being done by others, on their behalf. I quote David Vestal:

    "Compensating for lack of skill with technology is progress toward mediocrity. As technology advances,
    craftsmanship recedes. As technology increases our possibilities, we use them less resourcefully.

    The one thing we've gained is spontaneity, which is useless without perception".
    "Often moments come looking for us". - Robert Frank

    "Make good art!" - Neil Gaiman

    "...the heart and mind are the true lens of the camera". - Yousuf Karsh

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    Here are the 35mm cameras I own,
    Aires 35IIIC
    Canon F1
    Canon F1N
    Canon FTb, many FD lenses
    Canon P
    Canon 7 black w/50/.095
    Canon 7Sz, 35/1.5
    Contax II, Sonnar 50/2
    Contax IIA Sonnar 50/1.5
    Kodak Retina IIIC
    Konica IIIA
    Konica IIIM
    Konica Hexar
    Konica C35
    Leica II
    Leica IIIa
    Leica IIIF
    Leica M3 DS
    Leica M3 black paint
    Leica M4 x2
    Leica M4 MOT
    Leica M6 TTL, many Leica lenses
    Mamiya Super Deluxe 1.5
    Minolta SRT101
    Minolta SRT Super
    Minolta Hi-Matic E
    Minolta Super A
    Olympus SP
    Olympus M1
    Olympus OM3Ti, many Zuiko lenses
    Olympus RC
    Olympus RD
    Olympus Wide S black paint
    Olympus Pen S
    Olympus Pen F
    Olympus Pen FT
    Nikon S
    Nikon S2
    Nikon S3
    Nikon S3 Olympic
    Nikon SP
    Nikon 2005 SP limited, many Nikon S lenses
    Nikon F
    Nikon F2
    Nikon F3
    Nikon FE
    Nikon FM
    Nikon FM2
    Nikon FM3a, countless Nikkor lenses
    Pentax S3
    Pentax SV
    Pentax S2
    Pentax S3
    Pentax SP, many Takumar lenses
    Pentax MX
    Yashica GSN
    Yashica GTN
    Yashica GX
    Yashica GL
    Yashica CC
    Yashica CCN
    Yashica MC
    Yashica Lynx 14

    I am sure I have forgotten a few. Luckily I won't say what I have in other formats. i am not a fanboy of any particular camera, they all do more or less the same thing. But if I had to choose one out of the entire bunch as my only shooter, it would be my old black Nikon F with a Nikkor 5.8cm f/1.4 lens.
    Last edited by sangetsu; 07-31-2013 at 08:44 AM. Click to view previous post history.

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    dorff, your post lifts my spirits. The meter on my FM recently bit the dust. I need to take it out for a spin soon to show that there's still life in the old girl yet.

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    Treat the thread as best 35mm camera never made, and it becomes interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry Christian View Post
    dorff, your post lifts my spirits. The meter on my FM recently bit the dust. I need to take it out for a spin soon to show that there's still life in the old girl yet.
    Terry, I am glad to hear that! Seriously, it could have been any camera with decent lenses, I wouldn't know the difference. What I know about photography today, about 75% was learnt with that camera, though.

    Sangetsu, you need help! . No collector knows his true motivation (was it Mapplethorpe that said that?). But as collecting goes, you must be strong in the running for a podium finish. I hope you use them often enough to make some fine images with. That is what they were all made to do. To deny those fine cameras their life goal would be unkind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangetsu View Post
    Here are the 35mm cameras I own,
    Aires 35IIIC
    Canon F1
    Canon F1N
    Canon FTb, many FD lenses
    Canon P
    Canon 7 black w/50/.095
    Canon 7Sz, 35/1.5
    Contax II, Sonnar 50/2
    Contax IIA Sonnar 50/1.5
    Kodak Retina IIIC
    Konica IIIA
    Konica IIIM
    Konica Hexar
    Konica C35
    Leica II
    Leica IIIa
    Leica IIIF
    Leica M3 DS
    Leica M3 black paint
    Leica M4 x2
    Leica M4 MOT
    Leica M6 TTL, many Leica lenses
    Mamiya Super Deluxe 1.5
    Minolta SRT101
    Minolta SRT Super
    Minolta Hi-Matic E
    Minolta Super A
    Olympus SP
    Olympus M1
    Olympus OM3Ti, many Zuiko lenses
    Olympus RC
    Olympus RD
    Olympus Wide S black paint
    Olympus Pen S
    Olympus Pen F
    Olympus Pen FT
    Nikon S
    Nikon S2
    Nikon S3
    Nikon S3 Olympic
    Nikon SP
    Nikon 2005 SP limited, many Nikon S lenses
    Nikon F
    Nikon F2
    Nikon F3
    Nikon FE
    Nikon FM
    Nikon FM2
    Nikon FM3a, countless Nikkor lenses
    Pentax S3
    Pentax SV
    Pentax S2
    Pentax S3
    Pentax SP, many Takumar lenses
    Pentax MX
    Yashica GSN
    Yashica GTN
    Yashica GX
    Yashica GL
    Yashica CC
    Yashica CCN
    Yashica MC
    Yashica Lynx 14

    I am sure I have forgotten a few. Luckily I won't say what I have in other formats. i am not a fanboy of any particular camera, they all do more or less the same thing. But if I had to choose one out of the entire bunch as my only shooter, it would be my old black Nikon F with a Nikkor 5.8cm f/1.4 lens.
    There's no doubt about it," you are what you own".
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    Quote Originally Posted by sangetsu View Post
    Here are the 35mm cameras I own,
    Aires 35IIIC
    Canon F1
    Canon F1N
    Canon FTb, many FD lenses
    Canon P
    Canon 7 black w/50/.095
    Canon 7Sz, 35/1.5
    Contax II, Sonnar 50/2
    Contax IIA Sonnar 50/1.5
    Kodak Retina IIIC
    Konica IIIA
    Konica IIIM
    Konica Hexar
    Konica C35
    Leica II
    Leica IIIa
    Leica IIIF
    Leica M3 DS
    Leica M3 black paint
    Leica M4 x2
    Leica M4 MOT
    Leica M6 TTL, many Leica lenses
    Mamiya Super Deluxe 1.5
    Minolta SRT101
    Minolta SRT Super
    Minolta Hi-Matic E
    Minolta Super A
    Olympus SP
    Olympus M1
    Olympus OM3Ti, many Zuiko lenses
    Olympus RC
    Olympus RD
    Olympus Wide S black paint
    Olympus Pen S
    Olympus Pen F
    Olympus Pen FT
    Nikon S
    Nikon S2
    Nikon S3
    Nikon S3 Olympic
    Nikon SP
    Nikon 2005 SP limited, many Nikon S lenses
    Nikon F
    Nikon F2
    Nikon F3
    Nikon FE
    Nikon FM
    Nikon FM2
    Nikon FM3a, countless Nikkor lenses
    Pentax S3
    Pentax SV
    Pentax S2
    Pentax S3
    Pentax SP, many Takumar lenses
    Pentax MX
    Yashica GSN
    Yashica GTN
    Yashica GX
    Yashica GL
    Yashica CC
    Yashica CCN
    Yashica MC
    Yashica Lynx 14

    I am sure I have forgotten a few. Luckily I won't say what I have in other formats. i am not a fanboy of any particular camera, they all do more or less the same thing. But if I had to choose one out of the entire bunch as my only shooter, it would be my old black Nikon F with a Nikkor 5.8cm f/1.4 lens.
    There's a difference between collecting and accumulating.

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