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    Whats with this looks thing? Your not dating a person, your using a tool. It it works like it should, or better than most other similar tools, its good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    One of the reasons I dislike the F3 is was styled by Georgetto Giugiaro an Italian industrial designer and it looks to me more like a fashion item with the flattened prism top shape and the red stripe than a classic camera should, the F and the F2 do look like the classics they definitely are.
    Of course the Canon New F-1 also had the flattened prism top.


    The three pro SLRs that were released in 1980 & 1981.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fotch View Post
    Whats with this looks thing? Your not dating a person, your using a tool. It it works like it should, or better than most other similar tools, its good.
    Exactly right. However, if you have two equally great tools and one of them is substantially better looking than the other, aren't you tempted to pick up the more attractive one?

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    I have this book on the new F1

    Canon sent me this book over 30 years ago. My first F1n I bought was a lemon so they sent me this book as an apology. But the replacement is bullet proof. The preface said the camera was introduced in 1981. Gee I feel old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SchwinnParamount View Post
    Exactly right. However, if you have two equally great tools and one of them is substantially better looking than the other, aren't you tempted to pick up the more attractive one?
    Yes indeed. Or, the one which just feels better. Unless it's a @##$@&*% Canon, of course.

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    This is one argument I've always loved :-)

    I was a Canon camera tech back in the days of film, and one thing that often came up was "which is better - Canon or Nikon"? I was a bit of a maverick, as I actually used Minolta cameras (SRT's) at the time, and had previously used Nikon F's and F2's. I then changed over to Canon because a) I could borrow any lens from the loan cabinet, and b) when one of the newspapers sold off all their Canon gear I got an amazing deal on NF1's with motor drives and a range of lenses form 24mm to 300/2.8.

    But I digress. At the time we (the 2 techs who actually took photos) had an a similar opinion. Both camera systems were relaible and capable of first class results.

    It was the lenses that were different. Nikon were sharper wide angle (between 14mm and 28mm). From 35mm to 135mm both systems produced pretty much identical results. From 200mm and up Canon were ahead in terms of results.

    I know this is going to cause an argument, but it was backed up by many of the photographers we spoke to who had shot with both systems (quite a few of whom owned 1 system, but shot with the other system "at work").

    As for me? I currently own a Old F1, a New F1, a Nikon F (I sold my F2), a Nikkormat FTn and half a dozen Minolta SRT's. Nearly forgot, I've also got a Pentax MX (which many people consider one of their best ever cameras). And a OM1 Olympus (now that's a under-rated camera system).

    I've got various lenses for all the systems.

    Bottom line? I can use any of the cameras listed with any of the lenses I own, and you can't tell the difference in the final result in slide.

    Prins? Well that depends on what enlarger lens you use......and that, as they say, is another story....
    A camera is only a black box with a hole in it....

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    I thought everyone already knew the F2 was superior to any F-1? ;-)
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SchwinnParamount View Post
    Exactly right. However, if you have two equally great tools and one of them is substantially better looking than the other, aren't you tempted to pick up the more attractive one?
    I look at the personality, intelligence. Beauty is only skin deep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    What do you use Phillip ?, the Nikon F, F 2, and F 3, and the Canon F1 and F1N are some of the best manual focus professional S.L.R.'s ever made as I'm sure many members of this forum will agree.
    I was gifted with an AE-1 and a couple of lenses and bought an 85 1.8 that became my all the time setup. Then when the chip in the body died what could I do but pick up an old F-1?

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    In more than 40 years of hearing all this Canon-Nikon altercation, the truth is that the Mamiya/Sekor 1000 DTL was actually the most useful and user friendly. Today, I use my Nikkormat FTn/FT2 because it's the closest match to the DTL. The DTL's now have a common problem that the spot-meter cells are not holding linearity with the averaging cells. Many spot cells have lost sensitivity hopelessly. On the oither hand, the Nikkormats have held up admirably over the years, so I use that. In all the Nikkormats I've worked on, only 1 turned up with a dead cell. Further, the Nikkormats have a 94% viewfinder-to-gate coverage, and the DTL's have 85%. Both on-center. As an aside, Pentax SP series was off-center, LR and TB. So it's actually a question of Nikkormat vs Mamiya DTL. Nikon F2 is the finest fit-and-finish 35 in history, but is disqualified by reason of the need for light above the user's head to see the meter. If there's no light above your head, you don't have any meter; you can't see the blasted needle.



 

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