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    Quote Originally Posted by SchwinnParamount View Post
    In truth, my F2 meter is 2 stops off. On the other hand, my Canon F-1 is still darn accurate. Regarding overhead light, Canon solved the problem by giving you the option to backlight the display and even cooler, saves battery power by leaving the light on for 15 seconds before auto shut off. In practice, I make 95% of my images in situations where there is enough overhead light that I don't need backlight for either camera.
    Canon put the light meter in the camera body because they did some experiments and found it gave more accurate readings than having it in the prism finder, and it also retained the metering ability in all the various viewfinders available.
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    With the F-1 and F-1n the meter can be used with the standard finder, Serve EE finder and Speed Finder. The needle can't be seen with the Waist Level finder and the Booster finder has its own meter. It would be handy to be able to use the Waist Level finder with the built-in meter. The Speed Finder can be used instead but the magnification is lower.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    Canon put the light meter in the camera body because they did some experiments and found it gave more accurate readings than having it in the prism finder, and it also retained the metering ability in all the various viewfinders available.
    There's something good to say for each approach. Canon's approach meant that the meter was tightly integrated and worked with most finders; Nikon's meant that the meter could be improved, in a time of rapid change in technology.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    There's something good to say for each approach. Canon's approach meant that the meter was tightly integrated and worked with most finders; Nikon's meant that the meter could be improved, in a time of rapid change in technology.
    That's true, the philosophy that Canon had for their professional F1 range was that they would update it every ten years to keep up with technical developments.
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    You could purchase an illuminator for the F2 Photomic. With over 100K shots on my first one, I could have used the illuminator 2 or 3 times.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    There's something good to say for each approach. Canon's approach meant that the meter was tightly integrated and worked with most finders; Nikon's meant that the meter could be improved, in a time of rapid change in technology.
    I am only aware of one product that got an updated meter and that was the Minolta XK. The original AE finder was equipped with CDS cels then a few years later an AES finder was released with a silicon cel. This finder was developed for the XM/XK/X-1 MOTOR version because the CDS cels in the original AE finder were not fast enough.


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    I believe the Nikon DP12 was a significant upgrade from the DP11. No only did it go to the more readable LED display, I think they changed from Cds to silicone dioxide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Les Sarile View Post
    I am only aware of one product that got an updated meter and that was the Minolta XK. The original AE finder was equipped with CDS cels then a few years later an AES finder was released with a silicon cel. This finder was developed for the XM/XK/X-1 MOTOR version because the CDS cels in the original AE finder were not fast enough.

    Your XK looks like a cross between an F2 and an F-1

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    Quote Originally Posted by Les Sarile View Post
    I am only aware of one product that got an updated meter and that was the Minolta XK. The original AE finder was equipped with CDS cels then a few years later an AES finder was released with a silicon cel. This finder was developed for the XM/XK/X-1 MOTOR version because the CDS cels in the original AE finder were not fast enough.
    The F2 had numerous new Photomic metering heads, including changing from CdS cells to silicon cells, from needle readout to LED's, and from manual indexing (AKA the Nikon twist) to Automatic Indexing (AI).

    If memory serves, this is how it went. The full name for each version included "Photomic" after the alphanumeric designation for the camera/finder combination (e.g., F2SB Photomic), but other than the original version with the DP-1, it was seldom used except by Nikon.

    DP-1: Original head, CdS cells, needle indication. -- F2 camera + DP-1 finder = F2 Photomic.
    DP-2: CdS cells, LED indication. -- F2 + DP-2 = F2S
    DP-3: Silicon Blue cells, LED indication. -- F2 + DP-3 = F2SB.
    DP-11: CdS cells, needle indication, AI. -- F2 + DP-11 = F2A.
    DP-12: Silicon Blue cells, LED indication, AI. -- F2 + DP-12 = F2AS.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Les Sarile View Post
    Of course the Canon New F-1 also had the flattened prism top.


    The three pro SLRs that were released in 1980 & 1981.
    The standard finders on the LX were the FA-1 or the less common FA-1W (which has a slightly smaller magnification and a broader diopter adjustment range). Both have a more flattened top with a TTL flash shoe, and a window in front to read the lens f/stop setting. The FA-2 finder pictured has the magnification and diopter adjustment of the FA-1, no flash shoe and no f/stops visible. Because of that, it was cheaper when new, and fewer were sold. Now, because it is somewhat rare, and because it looks good on the camera, there's a demand for it and it's more expensive than the other two.
    Last edited by lxdude; 01-16-2014 at 03:10 AM. Click to view previous post history.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.



 

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