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    Small rant re a Nikon from KEH

    So I decided to get me a nice used N8008S.

    So I ordered one from KEH. Paid a slight premium for an "EX" one.

    So it came. Serial number 3105752.

    So I put batteries in it, mounted an AIS lens, and turned it on. Did as the instruction book said, set mode to M. Asked the camera what it thought. It told me that it was set to M, no compensation, shutter speed 1/250, aperture F--. So I swapped lenses. Same news from the camera. DUD!

    So I sent it back after consulting with KEH.

    So nothing happened for a while.

    So I bugged 'em. They told me that processing exchanges took time and that a replacement body was on hold for me.

    So nothing happened for a while more.

    So I bugged 'em. Same story.

    Same story.

    So I bugged 'em. Hard. Turns out they hadn't sent the replacement because they'd given me a refund for the dud. And they hadn't told me what they'd done.

    So I checked my account, the refund had been made. So I paid again.

    The replacement camera arrived today. Serial number 3105752. Yes, the very camera that didn't work first try. It still displays F-- with an AI or AIS lens mounted.

    I don't give an obscenity whether N8008S # 3105752 works with a chipped AF lens. I bought the body to use with my MF lenses, all AI'd, AI, or AIS, and don't have any AF Nikkors.

    !!!!!!!!!!! Perhaps FFFFFFFFFFFFFF! would be more appropriate.

    Has anyone here had similar poor communication and flat-out incompetence from KEH?

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    Is the LCD supposed to show the lens' aperture when an AI/AI-S lens is attached? I didn't think it did.

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    Hmmm, I don't know if it is the same but...I have a Nikon FA that displays something unintelligible (like F--) untill, a roll of film is in place **AND** wound to the first frame. A careful reading of my instruction book even says this is what it is supposed to do...again, I do not have an 8008 so, not sure if this is even related.

    Brad.


    PS I've bought a bunch of stuff from KEH. Was even desperate enough to sell some stuff to them once. Never had any troubles. Only once, maybe twice, asked for a return and refund.

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    I've had nothing but good dealings with KEH. I frequently buy 'bargin' items which arrive in 'excellent' condition.
    RL Foley

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silverpixels5
    I've had nothing but good dealings with KEH. I frequently buy 'bargin' items which arrive in 'excellent' condition.
    That used to be my experience in late 1990s but my average experience with KEH has gone downhill. They also sent me a completely wrecked Mamiya 6, which had several problems I could detect before putting in a battery. It was as if I bought the camera on ebay!

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    Take this with a grain of salt as I don't have experience with the 8008 however I doubt there is any way for the camera body to determine the aperture from the lens without a chip or some sort of maximum aperture info and analog feedback decoder. My Pentax 645 and 67 act the same although the latter has been modified to guess if I tell the body the maximum aperture of the lens currently on the camera. Your camera should still meter correctly if it is compatible with the attached lens - Set it to aperture priority and twiddle the aperture to see if the shutter speed changes. You should also be getting some over/under exposure indication on manual settings. If not then it is quite possible you have a dud which is where 'customer service' gets tested.

    Roger.

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    ouch.

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    sillyconguru, BradS, and ras351, thanks for the helpful suggestions.

    According to the N8008S instruction book, the LCD and in-finder display are supposed to show the aperture set when an AI lens is mounted. There's even an illustration in the book showing an N8008S's LCD behaving as expected with an AIS lens mounted, i.e., displaying the aperture set. I got the manual first, bought an N8008S because it is supposed to work with manual focus lenses.

    As for the camera not indicating anything without film being loaded, the thought occurred to me the first time it arrived. So I sacrificed a roll of outdated film. It behaved incorrectly with film loaded too. So much for that.

    This seems to be a known problem. Before I concluded that I really did have a dud camera, I did some searching. In a thread on photo.net, there was the news that the problem is due to a broken trace somewhere inside the camera.

    sliverpixels5, this is my first misadventure with KEH. Until now they've delivered my purchases in good order, and timely. I don't know why they're punishing me.

    I'm galled by KEH's slow turnaround, poor communications, and failure to check that the camera operated as I reported in the letter I packed with it when I sent it back. And at this point I'm feeling trapped. I bought it in plenty of time to test it before taking it, or not taking it, on vacation. I depart 3/25. I hate using untested gear, and for me testing requires shooting a roll of reversal film. And more. As is, the safe thing to do is not take the next one, even if it comes before we go and seems to work, and try to make do with a camera that couldn't do the necessary -- max flash sync speed too low -- the last time I tried to shoot hummingbirds with flash at South Llano River SP.

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    I owned a 8008S and have the lens compatability chart in front of me. The camera is only compatible in aperture priority and manual, centerweighted or spot metering. If you've tried this, I guess it locks up noteing Fee? Can you borrow a AF lens and check to see if it works otherwise?

    I remember hearing that the N90 was a better body then the 8008s. Maybe you would have better luck. Btw, there's always a 8008s or N90 in the classifieds at Photonet.

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    I had and enjoyed the 8008s. Currently have a N90s. I really like the N90s, except for it's bulk. I prefer the N90s over the N90 (no S) if, for no other reason, it uses AA batteries.

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