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    Quote Originally Posted by Nick Zentena View Post
    Have they?

    How many MF focus 35mm pro cameras have been made lately? Say the last 10 years? If you can't buy a MF pro camera how can you say people have made a choice?

    If pros were so in love with AF why is it so less common in medium format?
    I'll note that within the last 10 years at least four pro-level MF bodies have been available.

    The Nikon F3HP was discontinued in 2001, as was the Pentax LX. The Contax RTSIII was also discontinued around then, and the Leica R9 is still available new. All are pro 35mm MF bodies.

    Personally, I suspect that 1/250th flash sync did in the old pro bodies as much as AF did. Certainly in Nikon land, going to an F4 from an earlier F gained you fairly massive improvements in the flash system (Wider ISO range for TTL[against F3], 1.6 stop higher flash sync[2 for an F, 1.6 for F2 and F3], distinctly improved flash metering, standard ISO shoe), not to mention integrated winder/drives (why was there no winder for the F3? only the MD-4 drive that is overkill for most applications, the F2 had the nice, lighter MD-3) and vertical controls. And metering improved as well between the AF pro bodies and the earlier MF pro bodies(spot metering, matrix metering). While later MF bodies got a lot of the improvements that the AF pro bodies did (the R9 and RTSIII are closer in form and capability to an F4 or EOS 1 than a F3 or New F1) they were never mirrored in the more popular systems.

    As to medium format, I'll note that the three most common systems today (sold new) are all AF or AF capable 645 systems (Hassy H series, Mamiya 645 AF, Pentax 645). AF 645 systems have come to dominate the MF market, at least for new sales (used is dominated by the older 6x6 and 6x7 systems that are difficult to impossible to get new these days, aloong with dirt cheap older manual 645 kit)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mawz View Post
    I'll note that within the last 10 years at least four pro-level MF bodies have been available.

    The Nikon F3HP was discontinued in 2001, as was the Pentax LX. The Contax RTSIII was also discontinued around then, and the Leica R9 is still available new. All are pro 35mm MF bodies.

    Personally, I suspect that 1/250th flash sync did in the old pro bodies as much as AF did. Certainly in Nikon land, going to an F4 from an earlier F gained you fairly massive improvements in the flash system (Wider ISO range for TTL[against F3], 1.6 stop higher flash sync[2 for an F, 1.6 for F2 and F3], distinctly improved flash metering, standard ISO shoe), not to mention integrated winder/drives (why was there no winder for the F3? only the MD-4 drive that is overkill for most applications, the F2 had the nice, lighter MD-3) and vertical controls. And metering improved as well between the AF pro bodies and the earlier MF pro bodies(spot metering, matrix metering). While later MF bodies got a lot of the improvements that the AF pro bodies did (the R9 and RTSIII are closer in form and capability to an F4 or EOS 1 than a F3 or New F1) they were never mirrored in the more popular systems.

    As to medium format, I'll note that the three most common systems today (sold new) are all AF or AF capable 645 systems (Hassy H series, Mamiya 645 AF, Pentax 645). AF 645 systems have come to dominate the MF market, at least for new sales (used is dominated by the older 6x6 and 6x7 systems that are difficult to impossible to get new these days, aloong with dirt cheap older manual 645 kit)
    Let's not forget to mention the Leica M series stillbeing produced today. They even made the M8, but as far as I know, the lenses are all manual focus.

    Also, the Mamiya RB67 and RZ67 are still available new. Neither of them are autofocus.

    There have been very good AF cameras, like the Nikon F5, F6, F100, and several Canon models as well. What probably "did in" the old pro bodies was the research and new approach of the companies toward the development of the highly profitable pixy cameras. The new generation of consumers leans toward total automation. Why go through all the trouble of turning a nob with two fingers when your camera can do it for you? A sign of this was when canon produced theirf irst eyefocus SLR's where your eyeball was in control of the focus (the Elan series).

    The new thought process was "look what my camera can do" instead of "look what I can do with my camera."

    Hence, autofocus. Also, the profit on newer autofocus lenses and cameras is substantialy higher than with manual focus lenses. Older pro manual focus cameras and lenses were more labor intensive and the costs of metals has gone up. It is cheaper to make circuit boards than it is to make metal gears.

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