I think 1/90 is the default speed with no battery fitted (or a flat battery). This is the case with my Nikon FG.
Originally Posted by copake_ham
"People who say things won't work are a dime a dozen. People who figure out how to make things work are worth a fortune" - Dave Rat.
I did receive the user manual for the camera as well, but all it says about the battery is that it is a single six-volt, it didn't give a model type. Does the stacking of four batteries to take the place of one really work?
I was trying out the shutter speeds and was really starting to get worried when every shutter speed from 1/1000 to bulb was the same - then I remembered that there was no battery and the only shutter speed available with no battery was 1/90 according to the manual :-)
Looking at the light seals, I think I could do at least the strips to the top of the mirror box and to the left & right of the rear cover, but I see that there is some foam in the recesses to the top and bottom that I will not be able to get at without disassembling the camera - a task I do not feel comfortable doing. So I believe a professional CLA is in order when I can afford it. The seals are are sticky but wont disintegrate unless I rub them, so at least I will be able to develop a test roll when I can find a battery to make sure the meter works, and that the shutter speeds are accurate.
Yes. If you take apart one of these batteries, you'll find that it is a physical stack of four LR/SR44 batteries wrapped in a thin shell that holds them together. The versions I mentioned earlier still have pretty good availability. They were very common in the electronic shutter cameras of the time, such as the Canon AE/AT series. My Minolta spotmeter uses one of these as well, and I can find them at the local drugstore.
Originally Posted by sollumen
Many electronic cameras take a CR1/3N, 2L76, K58L or equivalent which is two of the SR/LR44 type batteries stacked, so you could also stack two of those to equal a 544, PX28, etc. Actually Sanyo's name for the 4 battery stack for the EL2 is the 2CR1/3N, indicating that they consider it 2 CR1/3Ns stacked.
There are lithium, alkaline, and silver oxide models of these batteries available, and some cameras may work better with a particular version as Matt has pointed out. AG13 and Eveready 357 are also equivalents to the SR/LR44 models. I tend to stick with the silver oxide or lithium versions.
Electronically controlled shutters like on the EL2 tend to stay pretty accurate over time. I had a '79 vintage electronic shutter checked a couple of years ago and it was within 10-15% (a small fraction of a stop) across the full range with no adjustments. Many electronic shutters of that vintage had a single mechanical speed in case of battery failure, most often in the 1/90, 1/100, 1/125 range with vertical running shutters. I think it may have been 1/250 on the Nikon FM/FE series. It was usually the flash sync speed.
This is all from memory, so double check me if it's critical.
I might add here another reason to prefer the silver or lithium batteries instead of the alkalines. And I speak from sad experience. I have seen cameras that have suffered severe leakage of the alkaline button batteries, ruining the camera or requiring repair beyond a simple cleaning. I have never seen a lithium or silver battery leak, even when forgotten and kept in a camera for years. Has anyone else?
Thanks Lee - The battery is the V28PX silver oxide. I will go to Ritz today to see if they carry this, if not, there is a Radio Shack down the street I can try also. I will try the SR44's if either of them do not carry the V28PX. It is critical I find something soon, as I only have a couple days left on the return period, and I have to expose a roll or two to see if things if the meter works, etc. (the body looks so good I would be surprised if it didn't). I'll post my progress later today :-)
Originally Posted by Lee L
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I think you will be very pleased. The old Nikon "bricks" were built to last forever. I started with a Nikkormat FT-2 some thirty years ago - and it is still going strong (w/o ever replacing seals and foam!).
Originally Posted by sollumen
Have fun, shoot pics, upload some here!
What a Day!
Wow, what a day! I left the forum here earlier on a quest to find a battery for the venerable little EL2, and came home tonight with plunder
To update on the battery search: I went to the local Ritz camera store, and lo and behold, they had one 6v PX28 left in stock. It was the Alkaline rather than the recommended Silver-Oxide, but the main objective was completed: to make sure that the meter and shutter speeds were functioning, and they were! The metering needle responded well to the changes in aperture and shutter speed, and I will have the test roll developed tomorrow.
Fast forward to 5:30 pm CST - I'm just browsing on eBay and I see this listing for an F100 + extras. Curious, I clicked on the link and saw that it was just listed as a 10-day auction with a BIN of 285.00
Believe me, I was tempted, but I passed on it because the buyer only had 7 feedbacks, but an hour later I was back and saw that someone had placed a bid on it already, but below the BIN (a bargain hunter methinks - I hope they aren't on this forum lol). To make a long story shorter, I decided to go for it, as I have wanted an F100 for sometime now, but the prices seemed a bit steep for me. Now for the kicker - turns out the seller was in Milwaukee - about a couple miles from me! Three hours later I had my F100 and about 60 rolls of various Color & B&W films, as well as a flash bracket - & the seller delivered it all to me in person! Turns out he is a professional wedding photographer who went digital, and this camera I bought was his back-up to the other F-100 he used, and the film I got as part of the deal was what he had left. The camera looks brand new with barely any marks on the body and pressure plate, has a nice clean and bright viewfinder and it just feels RIGHT in my hands, and is probably all I will need for a 35mm camera.
Whew - I can't tell you how happy this had made me today - I feel i'm going to expose those 60 odd rolls in no time Between the little EL2 and the F100 I think I did well for myself. The EL2 will be a good little street shooter & back-up.
My girlfriend - bless her heart, didn't raise an eyebrow at this impulsive act on my part, so I gave her my N80
It seems as though your battery quandry has been solved. PX-28 is th ebattery the camera originally shipped with & indeedis made up of the LR/SR 44's.
The foam mess in the channels of the body can be removed with care.
I usually put a couple of drops of rubbing alcohol into the channel, let it dissolve the foam even more and then use the specialty tool available from KMart/grocery/dollar store etc.
The specialty tool is known at those stores as a bamboo skewer usually for a buck a dozen or so.
If you would like to obtain the more exotic version, I can whip up a label that calls 'em "Specialty photographic foam remover" these run about $29.95 ea. cus I have to run down to the dollar store to replenish my stock
I've never thought of the EL2 as a little camera. I guess when sitting next to the F100, it is little. But when it was on the market, it was seen as a normal size SLR. The FM and FE were smaller cameras, as Nikon, Pentax, Canon and others tried to respond to the popularity of the Olympus OM-1.
Either way, sounds like you got some great deals. I just bought an EL2 as well, but won't pick it up until next week. It should fit nicely between the F2A and the FE that I've owned since 1979.
I got back the film today and all is well with the EL2 and F100
I had fun using the el2 with the 50 1.8 - spent most of the evening using up some of that film!
I just received the KEH catalog today and they have a coupon in back offering a CLA for $45, so I think I will send in both cameras to be cleaned, and have new light seals put in.
BTW - will a SB-28 speedlight work on the el2? I have one but I don't know if it will damage the camera or the speedlight itself, though I don't think it would. According to the SB-28 manual, it works with most of the older cameras, but the el2 isn't listed.