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    Suggestions for new P&S

    I'm going to do some research but there's no research like asking the experts, so here I am.

    I want a very small, very fast 35mm camera rugged enough to carry in my pocket day in and day out. A fixed focal length lens is fine (about 35mm would be dandy, maybe f.2.8 or faster,) and for what I want this camera for, I'm not overly concerned about controls. If I can control shutter, aperture, etc. that would be great but an 'all auto only' camera wouldn't necessarily be bad.

    What is important is that it be a fast camera -- I want to be able to pull it from my pocket, turn it on, a quick glance to compose and then take the picture. I want the camera to take less than 1 second to do whatever it wants to do between the time I press the shutter release and it fires the shutter -- preferably way less than one second.

    I thought about a cheap fixed-focus deal and that might be an option, I suppose, although most of them have rather crappy lenses and this isn't intended to be a 'crappy-camera' deal. And, they tend to be rather bulky.

    I've been using a cheap rangefinder (Yashica Electro,) for the past couple of years for this kind of thing and it's just not small enough to be pocketable -- it lives under the seat of my car, which is fine for when I'm in the car, but alas, most of the time I'm not in my car. I need something which fits an ordinary pocket. And has good auto-exposure. I don't intend to take time to meter, think about zones, etc. Just frame and shoot and get a reasonably exposed photograph with print film. I intend taking the film to local stores for print processing plus a CD.

    In past years I looked longingly at cameras such as the Stylus, but in the past shutter lag has always been the deal-killer for me. The cameras I've tried before have just been too slow. Is what I want a pipe-dream in the P&S, ultra-compact format?

    PS: I'm not rich. These days, I wonder whether I'm still middle-class or not.

    Thanks!

    Mike
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    Olympus Trip. I also use an Olympus Pen EE half frame, but I'm after a Pen F. Olympus are the small camera specialists

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    Check this out, It might be just what you are looking for.

    http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/kiev_camera_35a.htm

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    Sounds like an Olympus XA or XA2 might fit the bill also. The XA2 might be closer to the point and shoot you are looking for, very compact and pocketable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by votrepear View Post
    Check this out, It might be just what you are looking for.

    http://www.rugift.com/photocameras/kiev_camera_35a.htm
    Yes I bought one for my sister about 20 years ago, it's a Minox copy

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    Good morning, Mike;

    One killer of a term in your inquiry is the use of the word "new."

    I do not think that any of the major camera manufacturers are making this kind of a camera any more. There is some validity to the complaint about the "digital revolution" and "the demise of film." Less film is being purchased now, so the manufacturers are making less. Several of my favorite films are no longer made. If the predictions for the mass market for film are going down, they are not going to be making very many new cameras. You are not going to find any regular film camera that is "shirt pocket" friendly.

    If you are willing to accept a used camera and have it checked and serviced, there are some you might find useful. Please note that the Yashica Electro 35 is already one of the smaller 35 mm film cameras out there. You have already had a suggestion for Olympus. Another you might consider based on small size is the little Rollei 35. Try it before you purchase; it does have some unusual placement for its controls.

    There might be one possible exception you might consider. While it was not a "full frame" 35 mm camera, I do not think that there is anything smaller than the Tessina. It certainly is a shirt-pocketable camera, but I am not sure how to rate its durability. I do not think it would enjoy being bounced around under the seat of the car. The company is still in business, although I do not know about the camera being in production currently. Then there is the point about it being made in Switzerland, a country known for their watch making capability. Their cameras were priced accordingly. (Always did want an Alpa.)

    I am sorry that there is not anything comonly available like the little popular digital cameras sold today.
    Enjoy;

    Ralph Javins, Latte Land, Washington

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    Depending on your budget a Konica Hextar. Yashica also made a really nice point and shoot with a Ziess Lens. If not, really really cheap, not very fast, has a nice sharp lens a Vivitar clam shell point and shoot, I think its a 35mm 3.5, I see them around in thrift shops for under $10.00 My wife sold out to the dark side, but once in a while she pulls her's out when she wants better quaility. When she was a staff feature writer for a local paper (Mesa Tribune which is just about defunt Sunday was the last print edition) she covered the 1998 superbowl and several of the prints she took with that camera made the paper.

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    I have a nice little Nikon Lite Touch brand new in box. I also have one like new without box at a bit less. Let me know if interested. It has a 28mm lens, very sharp. Also, you might look at the Olumpus Stylus Epic. Also a nice camera. And I have a few absolutely mint Konica Big Mini models with 35mm lenses. I even have a new Konica A4, I think, still in box.
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    I have a Rollei AFM35 which is amazing [the lens is great]. Very slight focus lag, though. Similar to the Stylus Epic [which is, I think, perfect for your needs if the focus lag isn't a problem]. The focus lag isn't a problem for me, it's so short. I need to check but I think my Ricoh R-series compact has quicker autofocus [but the picture quality isn't as high].

    The XA2 has no lag at all. Zone focusing though.

    I tend to think the focus lag/lens opening lag is less than focusing time or time to remove a lens cap on most older cameras, so I wouldn't stress about it.

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    Olympus XA, or the auto version of it, the Stylus epic.
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