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    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Zeiss Luminars, although I know that they are very expensive.
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    Also, no one has mentioned the effect of a camera optimised for autofocus but used for manual focus as opposed to one optimised for MF in the first place.

    Probably much more significant for the end result than the differences between various good lenses....
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    I've been looking for one of these for a good price, so I shouldn't say anything, but the Rodenstock Apo-Rodagon D 75mm is an 39mm thread mount lens optimized for 1:1 reproductions. It might fit the bill for what you want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazzy View Post
    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Zeiss Luminars, although I know that they are very expensive.
    When I read the title that is the first thing that came to my mind..

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    First answer would be Olympus, but then I'm an OM kind of guy.

    Second answer would be, "Why don't you look for a dedicated slide duplicator?" With a little patience one could probably be had for less than what the lens and bellow would cost for you 35mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chazzy View Post
    I'm surprised that no one has mentioned the Zeiss Luminars, although I know that they are very expensive.
    Most of them are made for magnifications far beyond 1:1.

    And they are not just very expensive.
    They also are rather awkward in use: you need adapters to fit them to any camera; no focussing mount; no focussing to infinity with most of them (the 100 mm and 63 mm will, depending on the adapter and the camera's flange to film distance), but then no good at infinity anyway; manual setting of the aperture, without click stops; no f-numbers on the lens, but exposure factors instead.

    They are great performers. But rather 'specialist' lenses.

    For more general photomacrography, i also would recommend the Olympus lenses. Both the 80 mm and 135 mm bellow heads, and the 50 mm and 90 mm camera mount lenses.
    And for 1:1 again not their 20 mm and 38 mm 'versions' of the Luminars (though the later versions of these at least have an OM mount and an 'automatic' diaphragm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rol_Lei Nut View Post
    Also, no one has mentioned the effect of a camera optimised for autofocus but used for manual focus as opposed to one optimised for MF in the first place.

    Probably much more significant for the end result than the differences between various good lenses....
    You mean the viewfinder?
    At 1:1, the thing doesn't get that dark. And if the screen is interchangeable, there probably is one suited for manual focus too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Q.G. View Post
    Most of them are made for magnifications far beyond 1:1.

    And they are not just very expensive.
    They also are rather awkward in use: you need adapters to fit them to any camera; no focussing mount; no focussing to infinity with most of them (the 100 mm and 63 mm will, depending on the adapter and the camera's flange to film distance), but then no good at infinity anyway; manual setting of the aperture, without click stops; no f-numbers on the lens, but exposure factors instead.

    They are great performers. But rather 'specialist' lenses.

    For more general photomacrography, i also would recommend the Olympus lenses. Both the 80 mm and 135 mm bellow heads, and the 50 mm and 90 mm camera mount lenses.
    And for 1:1 again not their 20 mm and 38 mm 'versions' of the Luminars (though the later versions of these at least have an OM mount and an 'automatic' diaphragm).
    Well, the disadvatages of the Luminars except from potentially high prices are less important for my purposes. The last 5% between "outstanding" and "ultimate perfection" are never cheap when buying photographic equipment.

    The Luminars would be attached to a bellows, fixed aperture, almost fixed exposure and that's it... for the highest quality, that might really be a hairsplitting, nit-picky choice between an 80mm Olympus macro head and a Luminar.

    So, for a maniac like me, will there be a difference if I look at huge enlargements from shots taken with these lenses?

    I am sure only very few people will be able to reply to this without guessing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cmo View Post
    The Luminars would be attached to a bellows, fixed aperture, almost fixed exposure and that's it... for the highest quality, that might really be a hairsplitting, nit-picky choice between an 80mm Olympus macro head and a Luminar.

    So, for a maniac like me, will there be a difference if I look at huge enlargements from shots taken with these lenses?
    Luminars (and the equally good Olympus 20 mm and 38 mm macro lenses) and the Zuiko 80 mm are made for different magnifications.
    If you want to work around 1:1, keeping close to it, get the 80 mm lens. It is just as good. In that range, better even than most Luminars.

    Quote Originally Posted by cmo View Post
    I am sure only very few people will be able to reply to this without guessing.
    I am not so sure about that.
    People who like photomacrography like Olympus and the Olympus lenses as well (because the system is so versatile, very helpful. And the lenses are among the very best).
    And they also like Luminars.
    So there is a good chance that many who have experience with one will have experience with the other too.

    And i am indeed not guessing.

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    I have a really crazy setup for working at 1x to 2x in the field. It's an 80mm Zuiko macro on the Zuiko bellows, with a home-made converter to mount it onto a Nikon Fm3a. The whole lot is mounted on a home-made rifle stock with a double cable release to stop down the aperture on the lens and trigger the camera. Illumination is via a Sigma macroflash on the front of the lens. It sounds like a mad thing to take out into the field, but the alternative is only slightly more manageable: that of the FM3a, motordrive, Kenko 2x converter, then set of extension tubes and finally Tamron 90mm macro. You get up to 2x with that, but much greater working distance, which sounds like a good thing but you can't then illuminate it with the macro flash as it doesn't have enough power! So then you need a bigger flash on an extension arm.....
    Once you get beyond 1x in the field, things start to get a little wierd.....

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