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    Quote Originally Posted by hoffy View Post
    And like I said on a digi forum once before, maybe, just maybe if people concerned themselves about the final output, we wouldn’t have to deal with arguments on what is better. Both have their place, deal with it and get out there and shoot!
    Hoffy, that's just the thing, I AM concerning myself with the final output. It's why I choose to limit my "options" and focus on producing quality photography from the start. Your approach is based on shoot a bunch of things and sort it out after the fact - taking what works. Regardless of doing it in a piecemeal fashion or at the end, it's the same thing.

    Get it right the first time, pay dearly for your mistakes, and reflect on what worked and didn't work.

    In reality, some photographers reach a higher level of understanding and execution and some never do (perhaps were never meant to do, on that note).
    Stop worrying about grain, resolution, sharpness, and everything else that doesn't have a damn thing to do with substance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PKM-25 View Post
    I am willing to come down to your neck of the woods for a meeting if you like, give my take on the industry, what the well known pros are doing and Even talk about the Kodachrome Project, put on a slideshow with my Leica projector if you think it would interest your club.

    Just let me know, I have a flexible schedule.
    I'll ask on Thursday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clayne View Post
    Get it right the first time, pay dearly for your mistakes, and reflect on what worked and didn't work.
    clayne,

    As much as I believe in what you are promoting here for myself, people are different in how they learn.

    When shooting slides, which admittedly is rare (and frustrating) for me now, I will bracket because 1) there is so little latitude and the normal exposure methods I practice all the time for my 400nc and my Tri-X won't work and; 2) I find that I like a slightly darker slide in the projector and a slightly lighter slide if I want to get a print.

    If somebody wants to burn more film I say let them, their wallet will teach them a lesson too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hoffy View Post
    ... but what does it matter whether its film or digital if you are trying to teach someone about DOF, composition, capturing action?
    At the most elementary levels it doesn't.

    When you switch from a DSLR to film though, you are generally changing format size. This affects DOF and lens purchases that will be made significantly.

    As to capturing action, the metering techniques I used for digital are way different than what I use now for C-41. The techniques are completely incompatible.

    On composition with digital I found myself composing and exposing by experimentation, clicking and chimping. I see my digital buddies do this all the time, it's the norm. We don't have that ability with film (I know, duh).

    This is what I believe clayne is getting at, with film you actually need to decide on composition with the viewfinder and set a workable exposure before the shutter drops.

    It is possible for digital to demonstrate a concept but really tough for digital to teach or apply that lesson in the real world.

    Example;

    I generally "shoot to the shadows" for negative film of any type (which is about all I shoot anymore) and I regularly and intentionally overexpose a stop or two depending on the shot. This style of shooting works for negatives but for digital or slides it's almost a guaranteed failure. I can show somebody the shadows I can get digitally but the highlights will be toast and they can't replicate the real effect themselves without shooting negative themselves.
    Mark Barendt, Beaverton, OR

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    From looking through some great thinking in earlier posts, the only things that I can add is that:
    1. Photography (film or otherwise) has not replaced oil painting
    2. Similarly, pencils are still in stock in stationary stores
    3. Art stores and camera stores co-exist
    4. I'm sure that film will continue in various capacities
    5. It takes an independent mind to go against the flow to try something "different" (as in, not always following the current trend)
    6. I still want a Minolta Alpha 7 (aka Dynax 7)
    Film and digital; best of both worlds. JapanesePhotos.Asia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by winjeel View Post
    From looking through some great thinking in earlier posts, the only things that I can add is that:
    1. Photography (film or otherwise) has not replaced oil painting
    Or even watercolor or crayons or charcoal.

    2. Similarly, pencils are still in stock in stationary stores
    Use them everyday.

    3. Art stores and camera stores co-exist
    Thankfully!

    4. I'm sure that film will continue in various capacities
    I hope so and if it doesn't we will adjust. Some entrepreneur will find a way to create something we can use with all these bodies we have been acquiriing.

    5. It takes an independent mind to go against the flow to try something "different" (as in, not always following the current trend)
    Amen to this!
    6. I still want a Minolta Alpha 7 (aka Dynax 7)

    Great body, especially when it is used with good Minolta/KM lenses. I just bought my third one of these bodies. I always wanted a Nikon F100 and and F4 so I bought them too. I also just acquired a Nikon N90s. Now I can go and enjoy all of them.
    My digital body has a non-functioning LCD. I still take it out with my film bodies to shoot (location and studio). I just set the ISO and shoot it with small modifications. I do not get to see the results until I get home. I don't get to chimp. I use my IV-F flash meter to set exposure. I do not bracket.

    I have to make adjustments for the F100 when I shoot transparencies. I just do. I don't squawk about it, I just make the adjustments. I do not own APS lenses.

    We can talk about this or we can shoot and have fun.
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    I love shooting film...and will for the rest of my life. But as much as I hate it, digital is where photography is heading. Film will be a medium in photography just as oil is to painting.

    I jump between film and digital.....film is my current bug.....but in reality what I really care about is the final image...and most people that see my work printed cannot tell if the final was made in a darkroom, or flopped out of an inkjet. As long as they like it, who cares where it comes from.....

    except me....

    My 8 year old niece has never seen a vinyl record....yet still loves her music.

    But I will say that I love you folks for keeping the analog world alive...so dorks like me can still get a little film fix now and again....

    Did I mention I love 2-Strokes.....
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    I also live in Japan, and there is no shortage of people who carry film cameras. Photography is probably the most popular hobby in Japan, and there are countless camera and photography clubs. One of the good sides to this phenomena is that there is a huge amount of film equipment of all types available in the numerous used gear shops.

    Nikon of course has the largest following, followed by Canon, and then the rest. There are a few Nikon House stores in Tokyo which carry every imaginable Nikon camera, lens, and accessory, but other shops specialize in rangefinders, medium format, and large format.

    Being the nut I am, I visit these stores at least a couple times a month. They sell almost nothing that doesn't use film, and they do a brisk business. I have yet to visit such a shop and not see several other customers there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sangetsu View Post
    I also live in Japan, and there is no shortage of people who carry film cameras. Photography is probably the most popular hobby in Japan, and there are countless camera and photography clubs. One of the good sides to this phenomena is that there is a huge amount of film equipment of all types available in the numerous used gear shops.

    Nikon of course has the largest following, followed by Canon, and then the rest. There are a few Nikon House stores in Tokyo which carry every imaginable Nikon camera, lens, and accessory, but other shops specialize in rangefinders, medium format, and large format.

    Being the nut I am, I visit these stores at least a couple times a month. They sell almost nothing that doesn't use film, and they do a brisk business. I have yet to visit such a shop and not see several other customers there.
    I've lived in Japan for a few years, but in other Asian countries for about 10 years in total, now. So I didn't know that comparatively speaking things were pretty vibrant here. I'm in Nagoya, so there's only really some ma and pa stores here and Top Camera to go to for second hand gear... that I know of so far.
    Film and digital; best of both worlds. JapanesePhotos.Asia.

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    In terms of using computers for everything, I tried once writing
    down memories and information I require but after about 10 minutes I stopped, erased it and picked up a moleskine pocket journal, everything I've learned, studied, reviewed, Or thought about concerning
    photography goes in them, I've filled up 6 so far and nothing beats having physical writing in a physical book that won't get deleted.



 

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