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    I own all three of those cameras. They are all excellent choices. I bought my EOS 1 new in 1991 and it is still my go-to SLR. It's only been in the shop once (because it fell over on an unsteady tripod onto concrete which caused a tiny crack in the top body piece, but NO other damage). I even fell down a flight of concrete stairs with it once that left only a scuff. A real tank.

    A couple years ago, when the less-enlightened began dumping film cameras onto the used market, I picked up some "back up" bodies on eBay. An EOS 3 with booster and a roll count less than 50 for $250 and a barely used 1v and booster for about $350. As I'm sure is true with most of the gearheads among us, the flocking to digital has had one positive effect: I can now afford much of the equipment I spent my youth drooling over in the back of Shutterbug magazine. If only EF lenses and flashes saw the same price drop...

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    Quote Originally Posted by smallfooties View Post
    I do a lot of street and still life photography... I also like to do macro... I use manual focus all the time...
    Honestly, hearing this, I think an old (pre 1976 or so) SLR will be your better option. I'd go for a Nikon, personally, because they are a top-end system with 8 billion components (bellows, finders, lenses, etc.), and you can adapt the lenses to your EOS cameras, or use them on later Nikons.

    However, I believe you have made your choice because you are already using Canon EF lenses.

    Also, I believe you will find that your kit lens is actually an EF-S lens, not an EF lens, so it is designed for APS-C format only, not for 135 format.

    IMHO, an AF SLR is not the way to go if you will not be using autofocus. They are much harder to use for MF than a camera that was designed for such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by illumiquest View Post
    The 3 is a more modern camera with better auto focus. The 1's have a slightly better viewfinder and would probably take more of a hit if you're looking for something to drop. Photo.net has a pretty decent comparison of the three

    http://photo.net/canon-eos-digital-camera-forum/00KNJi
    Sorry but you are very wrong!

    There are several 1 models, and the most modern, the best EOS is not the 3 but the 1V. The 1V was the last pro EOS body created by Canon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverGlow View Post
    Sorry but you are very wrong!

    There are several 1 models, and the most modern, the best EOS is not the 3 but the 1V. The 1V was the last pro EOS body created by Canon.
    I believe he was referring to THE 1. The EOS 1. EOS 1s, plural, meaning all EOS 1s, not all EOS 1 Series cameras (which would include 1, 1N, 1NRS, 1V, and all the digitals). Maybe? Maybe not? That is the way I read it, at any rate.

    Your statement that there are several 1 models is very wrong. () There are several EOS 1 Series models, but not several plain-ol' EOS 1 models.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    I believe he was referring to THE 1. The EOS 1. EOS 1s, plural, meaning all EOS 1s, not all EOS 1 Series cameras. Maybe? Maybe not?

    Your statement that there are several 1 models is very wrong. There are several EOS 1 Series models, but not several plain-ol' EOS 1 models.
    Yes, there are several 1 models, sorry 2F/2F but I stand by what I wrote...there are the 1, the 1S, the 1N, the 1HS, the 1V and perhaps others....they are all 1 series models; Canon's way of updating the 1 without using the same exact name.....perhaps our difference is symantics... ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by SilverGlow View Post
    No there are several 1 models, sorry 2F/2F but I stand by what I wrote...there are the 1, the 1S, the 1N, the 1HS, the 1V and perhaps others....they are all 1 series models; Canon's way of updating the 1 without using the same exact name.....perhaps our difference is symantics... ;-)
    All EOS 1s are EOS 1 Series cameras.

    Not all EOS 1 Series cameras are EOS 1s.

    The EOS 1 is a model of camera in the EOS 1 Series. It was the first in the series.

    The 1N followed. Then the 1V. The 1N and 1V each had minor variations, such as 1N-RS or 1V-HS. A 1V-HS was simply a 1V sold with a high-speed motor drive already attached, while the 1N-RS was basically an EOS version of the special high-speed F-1 from the early '70s. Both the high-speed F-1 and the 1N-RS had pellicle mirrors, which allowed for their high frame rate. (Though the F-1 shot 14 FPS, while the 1N-RS shot 10 or so.)

    So, the OP is not considering the 1V. Only the 1, the 1N, and the 3.

    I haven't heard of the EOS 1S or EOS 1HS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 2F/2F View Post
    All EOS 1s are EOS 1 Series cameras.

    Not all EOS 1 Series cameras are EOS 1s.

    The EOS 1 is a model of camera in the EOS 1 Series (the first in the series).

    I haven't heard of the EOS 1S or EOS 1HS.


    HS or RS?? I too can only think of the RS model (fixed power drive booster E1 with fixed mirror).

    The 1N is in the 1 series though many people do wonder otherwise. Naming conventions are unchanged. The 1V is indeed enumerated the EOS 1V and is no different as an EOS name to any other body preceding it e.g. EOS 3 (or the ill-fated EOS 30 / 33 models). Working professionals using Canon from 1989 onwards would recognise the direct descendency from the EOS 1 to the EOS 1N (the refinements caused a stampede at the time), then EOS 1N RS etc. The vintage '1' is still in wide use; two cyclists I know shooting documentary use one body each fitted with 20mm f2.8 lenses.

    I manhandled the EOS 1V on Saturday in a pro-dealer's 2H shelves (there were four available, my testing being with the TS-E 24L PC lens) as I was weight-testing the load on a GITZO GT0931 Basalt tripod for overnight bushwalking. This spiderly but surprisingly rigid tripod held with the 1V bulk (2.88kg) on it — a bit more in weight than my 1N, which I couldn't bring with me as I was on MTB with just a Camelbak. That test 1V was missing (through abrasion / contact) much of the legend around the top left side panel.
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    As to the OP, and his choices, I would only get an EOS body that supports E-TTL, as I think this is a fantastic feature.
    Coming back home to my film roots. Canon EOS-3 SLR, Canon EOS 1V SLR, 580ex flash, and 5D DSLR shooter. Prime lens only shooter.

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    He could get any EOS body, actually, and maybe invest some knowledge in separate flash metering technique which remains, as ever, relevant with any EOS body, including E-TTL. Much preferable to develop skill through experience and not rely heavily on "fantastic" technology which, as useful as it may be, is not infallible. Flash metering is a specialisation that all photographers should invest in, irrespective of flash used.
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    The 18-55 will NOT fit on a film camera. Don't attempt it either as it protrudes to far into the body. I'd go for the EOS 3 myself.

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