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    Quote Originally Posted by keithwms View Post
    Yeah, an experienced photographer will have a vision and that vision will rise above pretty much any technical encumbrances. The vision exists completely apart from the gear.

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    But, as a teacher, I assert that black boxes are the absolute enemy of education. I am just old enough to have participated in the transition from pencil 'n paper education to computer- and web-based learning. I did both, and I definitely felt the difference. It horrifies me how we (teachers) have thrown hands-on "analogue" learning away. And this is usually done to save money, effort and time rather than for any real educational benefit. I see very clear evidence of the harms of automation in the d$lr-based photography of today.

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    Do you mean operating "virtually" rather than in the tangible world?

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    Wow,that's a bit of a tough one. I had to think about it!

    Let's look at the EOS-1V. I have one, and I have a few DSLRs. The true advantage of buying a 1V today, assuming you buy used, is price-performance. For $400 you get a full-frame camera that can use all of Canon's EF lenses and EOS flashes. You can certainly equal the image quality of a 1V with even low-end DSLRs so it's not that, assuming you could live with a crop-sensored camera, but you'd not get a robust body that can take punishment and still keep working. To get the equivalent build quality in a DSLR you'd spend 12x as much, minimum.

    Any argument about "film" fails in that you can buy a much less expensive camera than a 1V and record superb images. You asked why one would buy a 1V or F6, not why one would chose film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mr rusty View Post
    Black boxes change the perspective of education so that the old handraulic ways are used to check/justify the new, but are not necessarily used as the primary means of calculating/using whatever it is we are talking about.
    Unfortunately, that isn't my experience. There is a scary level of faith that the computer and the web can answer anything. If Apollo 13 had happened to this generation....

    Sure there are exceptions, but on the whole, virtual education has taken away many necessary hands-on experiences, because computerized education is a lot less expensive. There is growing objection to computer/web-only instruction, but I'm afraid it'll take a long time for people to realize what their kids are missing. Maybe when we start buying our spacecraft and nuclear reactors from China.... in ten years or so....

    Quote Originally Posted by Tom Kershaw View Post
    Do you mean operating "virtually" rather than in the tangible world?

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    My main fear is that the virtual world lacks many of the complexities and nuances of reality and thus students simply aren't prepared for them. Intuition is something that can really atrophy if it isn't exercised daily!
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    Folks, the OP explicitly wasn't asking "why film rather than digital", but "why a spiffy bell-and-whistleful film SLR rather than some other film camera". I assume we all agree that there are lots of reasons to shoot film!

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    Maybe I didn't make myself clear earlier:

    I choose to use my F5 specifically because it uses film. It also has features that I desire in a hand camera, the combination of which, I cannot find in any other model in the Nikon line, save maybe the F6, which is a bit out of my price range. The F100 might also be an option, but it too, is a "bell-and-whistleful" SLR.

    My question (again) is, why not use one? If you desire a camera that will use all of Nikon's current lenses (even the G-series), then you're pretty much stuck with all the bells and whistles. The same (to a degree) is true of Canon's lineup. Considering you can get a 1N for $200 and a 1V for $500, why not spring for something rugged and responsive?

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    The OP certainly did ask "Why a film SLR over a DSLR?"

    Specifically: "But what advantages, if any, would one choose to shoot a late-model full-featured film SLR over the d-word equivalent?"

    Hence my answer: "Film. It gives me a physical image, not a computer file comprised of 1s and 0s."

    You can't ask why someone chooses a film SLR over a DSLR and demand that the principal differentiating feature be excluded from the conversation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntenny View Post
    (on my point that digital emigres will be accustomed to automation)



    No, that's not my point. You're taking one statement out of context---what I said is that the various automatic bells and whistles of a high-end SLR aren't strictly necessary, but are probably expected features for most people coming from digital. Which is one reason that a digital emigre might want to use one of those cameras.

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    Ok, I gotcha this time :-)

    I love most of the advanced features of my EOS 1v SLR and my DSLR's too...making the switching from one body to the other easy.
    Coming back home to my film roots. Canon EOS-3 SLR, Canon EOS 1V SLR, 580ex flash, and 5D DSLR shooter. Prime lens only shooter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntenny View Post
    Folks, the OP explicitly wasn't asking "why film rather than digital", but "why a spiffy bell-and-whistleful film SLR rather than some other film camera". I assume we all agree that there are lots of reasons to shoot film!

    -NT
    Yes! That's what I was asking. Shooting film goes without saying. It's the reasons for shooting the particular sub-category of camera I'm curious about. I'm trying to imagine a digital-born-and-raised photographer who says "hmm, film…I want to try it." There are so many reasons to shoot film, and different cameras fit those different needs. I was having trouble (less so now, after lots of good replies) imagining that newbie selecting a modern SLR as his/her "film exposing device". I had been thinking the leap from digital to film must be based on a rejection of the entire digital experience, which in many ways is super-automated. This of course was due to my limited thinking.

    OT but worth a mention: free film giveaway here. http://www.camerasandfilm.com/archives/169



 

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