Thanks everyone. Lots of good info for me to think about.
The Rebel X and Xs are the bottom-of-the-bucket bargains these days. You can get 'em for next to nothing, and my old Rebel X with its cheap kit lens has produced some very nice images. For your price range, you could grab one (the Xs has a flash, the X doesn't) and a decent lens or three for starters.
I also have an A2E in addition to my dSLR Rebel and 60D, but the X is so light and handy that it competes favorably with my Canonet as a discreet "street" camera with the EF 50/1.8 on it.
I have a couple of Rebel 2000s that can be had at very reasonable prices .
Originally Posted by X. Phot.
“Photography is a complex and fluid medium, and its many factors are not applied in simple sequence. Rather, the process may be likened to the art of the juggler in keeping many balls in the air at one time!”
Ansel Adams, from the introduction to The Negative - The New Ansel Adams Photography Series / Book 2
I would not be looking to spend any bucks on a body but dedicating my $$'s to the EF lenses. Those L lenses are expensive, even the used variety. They make some very affordable in the US version.
I've got a couple of those L lenses. They really are worth every penny, if you can afford one.
I've got the 24-105 F4L IS and the venerable 70-200 F4L IS, both fantastic pieces of glass. The next on the addition block will be the 85 f1.2L II
The great thing about the EOS 35mm line is you can put an L lens on a cheap 5 or 10 dollar EOS film camera and still take a bad ass photo with it. I got a photo somewhere of my Rebel Ti with the 70-200 f4L IS on it.
5x7 Eastman-Kodak kit / B+M 135mm Zeiss Tessar + Compur Deckel
RB67 Pro S /50 4.5 / 90 3.8 / 180 4.5 / WLF / prism finder / polaback
FED-2 / 50 2.8 Industar 26m / 85 f2 Jupiter-9
Canon 300v / A2
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The problem with buying into the EOS system isn't the bodies, there's lots to choose from, it's the lenses. They're compatible with the current EOS digital bodies and so tend to be expensive. If money is an issue I would look instead to an 'orphaned' system like Canon FD (manual focus) and the Minolta manual focus systems. Great gear, and dirt cheap.
I am beginning to resent being referred to as 'half-fast'.
Whatever that's supposed to mean.
I bought an Elan 7 and an Elan 7e in the last 3 months... the only problem I've had with the Elan lineup is poor battery performance in the cold. Really like these cameras with EOS lenses.
Originally Posted by X. Phot.
Originally Posted by ntenny
Good morning, Nathan, and Tim;
May I quote one comment? "I mean, they all keep the dark in, right?"
Well, with the Canon EOS Elan, that may be open to discussion, but for an odd reason.
With normal films, there is not a problem. However, with Infra-Red sensitive film, the Canon EOS Elan does have an IR LED system used with the film sprocket holes to control how the film is transported, and that IR LED in the EOS Elan body does tend to fog IR sensitive film. Again, this is not a problem with all normal film use, but it does become a question if you intend to use Infra-Red film for landscapes and other unusual applications.
Yes, I do happen to have an original Canon EOS-Elan body or two here also. This has allowed me to use my lenses purchased for the Canon DSLR cameras with film also. And, as others have pointed out, that deteriorating foam issue with the original mirror bumpers and the shutter blades is a real annoyance, but once it is cleaned, and the bumper foam replaced with a more modern and durable substitute, they do work well.
Ralph Javins, Latte Land, Washington
When they ask you; "How many Mega Pixels you got in your camera?"
just tell them; "I use activated silver bromide crystals tor my image storage media."
Thanks, Ralph. I don't generally shoot IR in 35mm so that issue didn't occur to me.
It's true that digital compatibility keeps the price up on EOS lenses as compared to "orphan" systems. There are still some very reasonably priced EOS lenses, though---often the older, non-IS, non-USM versions of current lenses lose a lot of value (for instance, look at the 100/2.8 macro). I don't use my EOS film body that much because I find all the automation sort of alienating, but that's my personal hangup, not a comment on the quality of the system.
San Diego, CA, USA
The lady of the house has to be a pretty swell sort of person to put up with the annoyance of a photographer.
-The Little Technical Library, _Developing, Printing, And Enlarging_