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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Klein View Post
    I don't think we should accuse her of mental problems because of the quantity of pictures. By that standard, half the people who have high post counts here might be nuts too!
    Not to mention digi-snappers.

    Hmmm. Ya know....
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble View Post
    What was sudden about it? It theoretically went on for decades.
    OK, I'll play along...

    Circular reasoning only proves that the question asked has gone unanswered... claims of fait accompli notwithstanding. And the suddenness appears to be your creation alone, as I can find no other online reference to mental illness or insanity attributable to Ms. Maire. And certainly none related to the quantity of photographs she made. Or never got around to developing.

    Do you have privileged access to medical data of which everyone else is unaware? Or are not privileged to disclose publicly? Otherwise, just exactly how did you come to your determination, given that the poor woman has been dead now for four-plus years? Perhaps you knew her?

    Ken

    N.B. At best what you are proposing would seem to be a raw hypothesis, not a theory. In general scientific usage, a theory would be "a well-confirmed type of explanation of nature, made in a way consistent with scientific method, and fulfilling the criteria required by modern science."* Based on what you have related here thus far, I don't believe you're quite there yet. Especially with that pesky "well-confirmed" part...

    * Theory
    "They are the proof that something was there and no longer is. Like a stain. And the stillness of them is boggling. You can turn away but when you come back they’ll still be there looking at you."

    — Diane Arbus, March 15, 1971, in response to a request for a brief statement about photographs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble View Post
    Brute force papers over all kinds mediocrity. I've stated this before in this thread. Way before Maier was an internet sensation and lay people marveled at my portfolio I would tell them if you are semi competent, take enough pictures, and edit carefully you will have a decent portfolio. I never imagined someone putting that philosphy on steriods and cranking out 100,000 negatives.
    So are you calling her "semi competent"? A portfolio of the best of mediocre images will still be a mediocre portfolio.


    As for your attempt at amateur psychoanalysis:

    She made photographs for how long- 50 years? That averages out to 2000 a year. Less than 170 a month, less than 40 a week, less than 6 a day. What's extraordinary about that? Adams made over 40,000 negatives in his lifetime, the majority with a view camera. Nobody speculates about his soundness of mind for taking so many.

    I've sometimes exceeded her average monthly output in a day, when the subjects warranted it. Even more often over a weekend. That's five 36 exposure rolls of 35mm film. And that's with very little bracketing. Many here have done the same. Is it so hard to conceive that she shot 17 rolls of 120 in a month? 40 pictures a week? How many of us have regularly gone out with our 35mm cameras to take pictures for several hours and did not have at least one extra 36 exposure roll?

    She had a passion for photographing. That doesn't make it a mental disorder.
    She chose to photograph with her spare time. Some people spend hours gardening. Some do woodworking. Some have model railroads, or make toothpick models of the Eiffel Tower. Some restore or customize cars. Some listen for hours to their high-end sound systems.
    Some just sit on their asses in front of the TV. Or the computer.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alan Klein View Post
    I don't think we should accuse her of mental problems because of the quantity of pictures. By that standard, half the people who have high post counts here might be nuts too!
    You don't accuse anyone of having mental illness anymore than you accuse someone of having the common cold.


    Quote Originally Posted by nimh.nih.gov
    An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older — about one in four adults — suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.
    http://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/publi...ca/index.shtml

    Mental disorders are severly under diagnosed and even more seriously under treated. But they are over stigmatized. I don't have the time to address the various falsehoods in this thread but I did read them. I only wanted to call out the most egregious. I see this was the totally wrong place to discuss this serious issue. Guys next time you see a news story about someone who "had it all" and committed suicide and everyone is "shocked! SHOCKED!" that it happened remember this thread. You guys might be great at taking, printing, and critiquing photographs but you are terrible at mental health awareness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel1972 View Post
    Mozart must have suffered some kind of mental illness, why would a normal person spend most of his life writing down so such music in so little time? Complete passionate dedication isn't it what differentiates a true artist from a lucky amateur or a reasonable pro?
    Too many notes.

    Clearly insane.
    Tom, on Point Pelee, Canada

    Ansel Adams had the Zone System... I'm working on the points system. First I points it here, and then I points it there...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble View Post
    An estimated 26.2 percent of Americans ages 18 and older—about one in four adults—suffer from a diagnosable mental disorder in a given year.
    And your reasoning behind the assertion that Ms. Maire was NOT a member of the other 73.8% is...

    (Remember now, you were the one who said "Usually the simplest explanation is the correct one.")

    Ken
    "They are the proof that something was there and no longer is. Like a stain. And the stillness of them is boggling. You can turn away but when you come back they’ll still be there looking at you."

    — Diane Arbus, March 15, 1971, in response to a request for a brief statement about photographs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Noble View Post
    You guys might be great at taking, printing, and critiquing photographs but you are terrible at mental health awareness.
    No, it's that your remark was pure speculation, based on her not-really-excessive output for a person dedicated to her avocation/art.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Toffle View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Lionel1972 View Post
    Mozart must have suffered some kind of mental illness, why would a normal person spend most of his life writing down so such music in so little time? Complete passionate dedication isn't it what differentiates a true artist from a lucky amateur or a reasonable pro?
    Too many notes.

    Clearly insane.
    Keep making jokes guys. It is a hilarious topic.

    Quote Originally Posted by ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
    The study of Mozart's letters and biography leads us to reconsider the psychiatric disorders from which he suffered. Indeed, it seems that Mozart demonstrated depressive episodes, some of which were severe and corresponded to the criteria of the DSM-IV classification. However, the arguments put forward by other authors supporting the occurrence of manic or hypomanic episodes (thus constituting a bipolar disorder diagnosis) are not supported by sufficient historic proof. Indeed, the length of time that the behaviors suggesting manic symptoms lasted is not compatible with such a diagnosis. Rather, Mozart's mood swings and impulsive behavior correspond to some traits of a personality disorder, that is, for the most part, symptoms of the dependent personality disorder. Evidence for this diagnosis appears most notably in Mozart's reactions to his wife's absences, but also in occasional behaviors as well as mood lability. The divergences in the classification of Mozart's symptoms, either into the field of bipolar disorders or into that of personality disorders, are closely linked to the nosological uncertainties that are still a source of debate in today's psychiatric research. We discuss a means of overcoming this limitation by considering the concept of "soft bipolar spectrum," a conceptualization that corresponds to Mozart's psychiatric history.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16247856

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    And the reasoning behind your medical assertion regarding Ms. Maire is...

    (THX*)

    Ken

    * The audience is listening...
    "They are the proof that something was there and no longer is. Like a stain. And the stillness of them is boggling. You can turn away but when you come back they’ll still be there looking at you."

    — Diane Arbus, March 15, 1971, in response to a request for a brief statement about photographs

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    WELL this is worrying me... can someone point to a number of frames i can take - both 120mm and 35mm/per week - so as not to bring any attention to my 'possible' mental state.

    sometimes i shoot both during the same week, so if you can give me a way to compensate for both, i would be eternally grateful, not to mention relieved.

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