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    thanks,very good information... found a very cheap copy of volume 1 (under 5 :-) )... and since i like to go in order, i'll read that first, as i look for a cheap copy of volume 2.

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    If you get put off by the writing and attitude in volume 1, don't let that stop you from getting volume 2. 2 is much better and an easier read. I skipped through much of vol 1, but read nearly all of vol 2.

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    ^okay... i will definitely pick up two, as it has the info i'm looking for... thanks for the warning though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by batwister View Post
    If you only look at the torso and thigh, it certainly couldn't be mistaken for solarisation. It's the feet that make the image appear this way. This is because there is charcoal on the soles of her feet from the floor beneath her. I think this is what creates the confusion about the lighting/solarisation.
    I think you are quite right. And I think the floor records the dance that has been performed already!

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    Edward Weston's Day Books, entry dated 3/6/29

    "My best work is more analogous to architecture and sculpture than to painting. I made a posterior view, in flat, but very brilliant light, which outlines the figure with such a definite black line, that even photographers swear I have pencilled the negative,--I have used this light before on the dancing nudes."

    Also, in the daybooks, Weston mentioned that he never uses artificial light...only natural light.

    I believe this outline can also be seen lightly in the Charis nudes in the dunes.

    As a side point...I have the Knees print in (at least) two books and noticed that they each are a different crop and contrast. I guess book prints always have to be taken with a grain of salt.

    I vaguely remember reading more on this outline effect but know not where.

    Hope this helps,
    Jim

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    So I've been walking around the past couple of days since this thread started looking at objects illuminated by the sun, trying to put my eye along the axis of the sunlight without casting a shadow on the object. Closing one eye to simulate a camera lens. Today, for example, I was staring at a round pipe for a while (people must have wondered...) and did see that as the pipe curved outward, it did seem to get darker. But nothing as seen in the Weston print.

    So are we discussing an optical effect that happens all the time but we just don't notice it that much, or is the effect seen in the Weston print the result of the photographic process -- Mackie lines and such? And thus variable by paper, developer, process, etc? I imagine the answer to both questions is "yes" but perhaps those more in tune with optical matters have a more informed view.

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    Flat light, then developed longer, will create "more" contrast than your eye sees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gim View Post
    ...such a definite black line, that even photographers swear I have pencilled the negative
    Thanks Jim,

    No I accept it's a straight unretouched negative. But if the floor was a little dusty, those really do appear to be footprints. It doesn't look like "a lot" of charcoal, and if the light was flat and the negative developed longer, then light dust would darken to charcoal. There doesn't even have to be that much of it.

    Anyone know if dancers prefer dust on the floor, like mountain climbers chalk their hands, during a performance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gim View Post
    Edward Weston's Day Books, entry dated 3/6/29

    "My best work is more analogous to architecture and sculpture than to painting. I made a posterior view, in flat, but very brilliant light, which outlines the figure with such a definite black line, that even photographers swear I have pencilled the negative,--I have used this light before on the dancing nudes."

    Also, in the daybooks, Weston mentioned that he never uses artificial light...only natural light.

    I believe this outline can also be seen lightly in the Charis nudes in the dunes.

    As a side point...I have the Knees print in (at least) two books and noticed that they each are a different crop and contrast. I guess book prints always have to be taken with a grain of salt.

    I vaguely remember reading more on this outline effect but know not where.

    Hope this helps,
    Jim
    Thanks for that Gim, or should that be Jim. Now can someone explain that in the form of a lighting diagram?

    “The contemplation of things as they are, without error or confusion, without substitution or imposture, is in itself a nobler thing than a whole harvest of invention”

    Francis Bacon

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    Start of Charis days, Excerpt from last few pages of Daybooks. Happy reading.

    24. “Peace to enjoy, fulfill, this beauty—”
    December 9, 1934. I have not opened this book for almost 8 months,—and with
    good reason; I have been too busy, busy living. I notice the last entry was 4-20.
    On 4-22 a new love came into my life, a most beautiful one, one which will,
    I believe, stand the test of time.
    I met C. [Charis Wilson]—a short time before going South on the P.W.A.P.
    work, saw her at a concert, was immediately attracted, and asked to be intro
    duced. I certainly had no conscious designs in mind at the time, but I am not
    in the habit of asking for introductions to anyone which means that the attraction
    was stronger then than I realized. I saw this tall, beautiful girl, with finely
    proportioned body, intelligent face well-freckled, blue eyes, golden brown hair
    to shoulders,—and had to meet. Fortunately this was easy. Her brother was
    already one of my good friends, which I, of course, did not know.
    I left for the south before our paths crossed again. While there a letter from S.
    said she had a new model for me, one with a beautiful body. It was C.------ Poor
    S.------ How ironical. But what happened was inevitable.
    The first nudes of C. were easily amongst the finest I had done, perhaps the
    finest. I was definitely interested now, and knew that she knew I was. I felt a
    response. But I am slow, even when I feel sure, especially if I am deeply moved.
    I did not wait long before making the second series which was made on April
    22, a day to always remember. I knew now what was coming; eyes don’t lie
    and she wore no mask. Even so I opened a bottle of wine to help build up my
    ego. You see I really wanted C. hence my hesitation.
    And I worked with hesitation; photography had a bad second place. I made
    some eighteen negatives, delaying always delaying, until at last she lay there
    below me waiting, holding my eyes with hers. And I was lost and have been
    ever since. A new and important chapter in my life opened on Sunday afternoon,
    April 22, 1934.
    After eight months we are closer together than ever. Perhaps C. will be remem
    bered as the great love of my life. Already I have achieved certain heights
    reached with no other love.
    Domestic relations have been severely strained, quite to the breaking point,
    casting a shadow over my association with C. A change must take place and
    soon. I must have peace to enjoy, fulfill, this beauty.
    283

    PART IV
    Carmel, April, 22, 1944

    April 22, 1944. —Carmel—Ten years ago today on a Sunday afternoon was the
    beginning; now Charis and I are married, have been for five years. This is the
    first entry in my once-well-kept daybook since 1934. I laughingly blame Ch.
    for cramping my style as a writer—and there may be some truth in this charge—
    but the fact is that I have not had much time, nor necessary aloneness for keeping
    an intimate journal.
    In no period of my life has there been a comparable series of important events,
    coming one upon another as if to crowd into ten years all that might happen
    to some in a lifetime. I doubt if I can take time to recall more than the high
    lights of these years, or scratch the surface of all the changes which in turn
    have changed me, colored my thoughts, directed my actions. Without com
    ment—not until in some later entry explanation is necessary—
    I will write down some of the outstanding events and experiences of these
    missing ten years; incidents, of course, especially concerning me. It will be
    obvious soon enough—if I go on writing—what such a cataclysm as the war
    has done to me. So this list, without too much pride and with shameless prejudice.
    1935: I left my Carmel, once-happy-home, and moved to S. Monica where
    Brett and I with Cole and Neil set up housekeeping with an eye open for sit
    tings. 1936: Charis came to live with me. 1937: I received a Guggenheim
    Fellowship, the first ever granted a photographer; renewal in 1938. We traveled
    35,000 miles mostly through California as told in that exciting book California
    and the West by Charis Wilson Weston—so well-told that I need not recount
    any of the Guggenheim period. 1938: Moved to Carmel Highlands because of
    H. L’s [Harry Leon Wilson, writer, father of Charis] sickness. Neil built us a
    one-big-room house which Walter Arensberg calls the palatial shack. 1938:
    divorced Flora after 16 years separation. 1939: married Charis after 5 years of
    sin. 1941: Contract with Limited Editions Club Inc., N. Y. to illustrate Leaves
    of Grass', we travel cross-country for 10 months covering 20,000 miles, 24 states,
    from the old South to Maine. This story will also be told, God and Charis
    willing. Travel was done during a national emergency. When war broke out we
    scurried home. Charis did not want to scurry. I did.
    Many deaths have saddened these last 10 years, but two were especially poignant
    to me—Tina and Ramiel. Tina returned to Mexico to die. Ramiel went to
    sleep in his little Redondo home, after a long painful struggle. Tina and Ramiel,
    always linked in my mind, always clasped to my heart.
    287
    “Oh, there will pass with your great passing
    Little of beauty not your own,—”
    Edna St. Vincent Millay
    One birth has gladdened; Erica, born to Brett and Cicely, my first granddaugh
    ter, and the first girl in the family.
    Something almost worse than death came to my only sister Mary—a stroke
    which crippled her right side. She has come through in heroic fashion, learning
    to write with left hand, learning to walk, to talk.

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