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    Since someone mentioned Jean-Loup Sieff, just wanted to mention in passing that there is a magazine out as we speak for "Reporters without borders", with images from Sieff (there was one a while ago with images from Newton, also...)

    I've been working with eroticism and trying to see what can be shown without going into porn, but the definition of where art nude ends, and where eroticism is and what is porn is highly liked to one's sensibilities, and what is seen as an artistic nude by some can be seen as subversive porn by others...

    I guess it's one of those subjects where people have to agree to disagree and respect each others views...

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    Quote Originally Posted by modafoto
    I warned you! Please address me again
    How can I not?

    "You're my lover
    undercover
    you're my secret passion
    and I have no other.
    You're Number One,
    my Number One..."

    Quote Originally Posted by blansky
    Define erotic.
    I dare not define erotic, nor did I ask a specific view of it. I asked to be shown different interpretations of erotisism that escape the common Playboy/Penthouse/Hustler/Max definition of cloned big boobed blondes in medical positions, Soft/Hard Porn magazines that depict a comic view of copulation like in a nature documentary, of mainstream models posing in leather outfits in codified poses pretending to look sexual and simple nudes that are better suited as a document of anatomy or form.

    I ask for honest, real, deep (no pun intended) visual investigation of eroticism. For me eroticism as I have stated before is in the eyes, a simple look and care little for the more aggressive depictions, but they also interest me somewhat.

    The interesting thing about photography is that because of its documentarisic quallities it can depict very reallistically a naked body or a sexual act. Yet, the problem lies when eroticism is not merely a reallistic snapshot of the sexual moment, but the capture of the feeling of it, where non visual arts excel at such as poetry and music. Even in painting and sculpture, the depiction of a naked body is not enough to reach eroticism, but the interpretation of the artist is what captures the real erotic emotion.

    Thus, when speaking of art, it goes beyond a global dictionaristic explanation of what the word means (after all, since its greek, I pretty much comprehend it), but what interests is the individual interpretation by an artist.

    Porn is when the erotic illustrator wants to please his/her public, eroticism when the creator pleases himself. True erotic creation is not unlike masturbation, or the physical creation of an erotic fantasy, the satisfaction of a sexual desire in visual terms.
    Porn is shallow, the fast food of sexual illustration, the sexual act done just to get rid of the craving. Eroticism is slow motion, a hint, a light caress that contains all the power of violent multiple orgasms.

    Or so I believe.

    I ask for guidance in photographic eroticism because of the aforementioned reasons and the feel of looking for a drop of water inside an ocean.
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    For really *fine* erotic literature, I might suggest the "Song of Solomon" in the King James Bible.
    Carpe erratum!!

    Ed Sukach, FFP.

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    There's always Jan Saudek. Some of it is definitely erotic, some of it humoristic, some of it just plain weird, but all of it is exellent!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ole
    There's always Jan Saudek. Some of it is definitely erotic, some of it humoristic, some of it just plain weird, but all of it is exellent!
    Saudek is a crazy, crazy man.
    I don't find the pictures erotic, humoristic and weird though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modafoto
    Man Ray

    you said it!

    i think it is what isn't there ( implied ) not what is there
    Last edited by jnanian; 05-29-2005 at 12:57 PM. Click to view previous post history.

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    Hi

    Test:http://www.sylvie-blum.de/content/main.html
    or do a search on Günter Blum and Jean Loup Sieff is also a good one he is a mater in lighting!

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    Quote Originally Posted by arigram
    How can I not?

    "You're my lover
    undercover
    you're my secret passion
    and I have no other.
    You're Number One,
    my Number One..."



    I dare not define erotic, nor did I ask a specific view of it. I asked to be shown different interpretations of erotisism that escape the common Playboy/Penthouse/Hustler/Max definition of cloned big boobed blondes in medical positions, Soft/Hard Porn magazines that depict a comic view of copulation like in a nature documentary, of mainstream models posing in leather outfits in codified poses pretending to look sexual and simple nudes that are better suited as a document of anatomy or form.

    I ask for honest, real, deep (no pun intended) visual investigation of eroticism. For me eroticism as I have stated before is in the eyes, a simple look and care little for the more aggressive depictions, but they also interest me somewhat.

    The interesting thing about photography is that because of its documentarisic quallities it can depict very reallistically a naked body or a sexual act. Yet, the problem lies when eroticism is not merely a reallistic snapshot of the sexual moment, but the capture of the feeling of it, where non visual arts excel at such as poetry and music. Even in painting and sculpture, the depiction of a naked body is not enough to reach eroticism, but the interpretation of the artist is what captures the real erotic emotion.

    Thus, when speaking of art, it goes beyond a global dictionaristic explanation of what the word means (after all, since its greek, I pretty much comprehend it), but what interests is the individual interpretation by an artist.

    Porn is when the erotic illustrator wants to please his/her public, eroticism when the creator pleases himself. True erotic creation is not unlike masturbation, or the physical creation of an erotic fantasy, the satisfaction of a sexual desire in visual terms.
    Porn is shallow, the fast food of sexual illustration, the sexual act done just to get rid of the craving. Eroticism is slow motion, a hint, a light caress that contains all the power of violent multiple orgasms.

    Or so I believe.

    I ask for guidance in photographic eroticism because of the aforementioned reasons and the feel of looking for a drop of water inside an ocean.
    Stop it. You're making me horny.


    With your obvious sensitivity and sensuality you must have chicks hanging all over you. I was almost ready to buy a plane ticket to Crete. Give me a minute while I slow down my heart and I'll try to think of some photographers and books for you.


    Michael
    I couldn't think of anything witty to say so I left this blank.

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    I forgott : Bettina Reims book Chambre close!

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