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    This is in reply to two posts where individuals have stated "who would want to see his work"?? Well, at the very least, I would, my girlfriend would, my son would, a few of my past instructors have and I have read countless entries at other sights of people who have. Some in favor and some against. I think its shitty to enter a post and state simply "who would want to see his work", when the author starts by stating that he had been.

    Your either on purpose, or inadvertainly, trying to make a stab at those who would when it would make more sense to discribe why you wouldn't. Why do you dislike his work? Why do you not agree with his ethics on obtaining his "models". God (or whatever) knows there is basis for good, clean debate there.

    I am not trying to fuel a "what is art" debate. I am not trying to debate whether the stuff is good or what is right or ethical or sick or whatever else... I do however think his work, as a craft, is decent. I don't care for some of the more theatrical stuff. The lengths in which he went to obtain his subjects is commendable. Its easy to take a shot of a landscape, by comparison.

    Sick, demented... Blah! Death is a part of life and art immitates life... In my view its a valid subject matter. "Dismembered freaks" are worthy of a portrait just like all the beautiful people out there.

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    Why do you dislike his work? Why do you not agree with his ethics on obtaining his "models".
    Because it is fake, it only appeals to the basest of morbid and prurient motivations. Nothing JPW has done, has not been done in Hollywood. Is it good photography just because he went and played with cadavers (illegally at that!). If I darken a room, hang a few chains and ask a friend of mine to torture a dog while I take pictures, is this good photography? I dont see anything special in his work, other than the initial morbid curiosity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bighead
    This is in reply to two posts where individuals have stated "who would want to see his work"?? Well, at the very least, I would, my girlfriend would, my son would, a few of my past instructors have and I have read countless entries at other sights of people who have. Some in favor and some against. I think its shitty to enter a post and state simply "who would want to see his work", when the author starts by stating that he had been.

    Your either on purpose, or inadvertainly, trying to make a stab at those who would when it would make more sense to discribe why you wouldn't. Why do you dislike his work? Why do you not agree with his ethics on obtaining his "models". God (or whatever) knows there is basis for good, clean debate there.

    I am not trying to fuel a "what is art" debate. I am not trying to debate whether the stuff is good or what is right or ethical or sick or whatever else... I do however think his work, as a craft, is decent. I don't care for some of the more theatrical stuff. The lengths in which he went to obtain his subjects is commendable. Its easy to take a shot of a landscape, by comparison.

    Sick, demented... Blah! Death is a part of life and art immitates life... In my view its a valid subject matter. "Dismembered freaks" are worthy of a portrait just like all the beautiful people out there.
    You are entitled to your view, even the copout "I am not trying to debate whether the stuff is good or what is right or ethical or sick or whatever else" attitude that his supporters have. If you avoid the ethics and whether its good or right its easy to be a Witkin fan, or a Ted Bundy fan. If I avoid ethical issues, I can support all sorts of things-murder, torture, rape, you name it. I am not going to discuss why I wouldnt go for people who ignore ethical issues, you/they wouldnt get it. I'm pleased that you would think my comment was shitty.

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    I saw some of his photographs in Santa Fe several years ago. Very impressive work. I wasn't familiar with him at the time. I can understand how some people react to his photographs but I've read quite a bit about him and I bought some of his books and I like most of his work. I'm still not comfortable with some of his pictures but that's my own personal taste.

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    I am not comfortable with some of the work by war photographers, Salgado and others who put in front of my eyes images that are disturbing.
    As well I am not comfortable with a some of the images jpw has done.
    But , look at the Bone House ** Testicle Stretch with the Possibility of a Crushed Face, New Mexico , 1982.* This image is by far one of the most amusing images I have ever seen.
    I think his work is excellent , but a lot of my friends disagree (some very aggresively) but they allow me to like his work even though it revolts some of them.
    When I was in college (first year) we were forced to watch movie clips from the holocost camps. I had never seen footage like this and I hope I never see footage again. I think I am a better , or more sensitive person from viewing this footage.
    How this relates to JPW work I am not sure .But I do look at his work with interest.

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    For a person like me who strives and falls short of technical perfection, JPW comes very close. His images are printed perfectly. They really are some of the technically best images I have ever seen.

    I am not a huge fan of his work, content wise. But since seeing his work in person, I have to say they are much better than in a book.

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    War and the Holocaust were not staged Bob. They are horrible real images that must be seen to help prevent them from ever occurring again, and the people responsible were given their just due whenever possible. Witkin fabricates his own little horrors, quite likely illegally as Jorge says. He should be in jail and his sympathizers should be in therapy.

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    Hmmm....I should be in therapy?

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    I am well aware that those images were not staged. My point is that I was forced to look at the footage to open my eyes to crazy possibilities.
    Witkens work is on a world stage well beyond the scope of most of us here and I have happened to see some of his work and find it interesting. Maybe we should arrest the Mapelthorpe crowd for a large part of his imagery, As well I have seen coffee table books of hard core pornographic work that is currently selling as art. we should arrest them as well.
    Jock Sturges work has been a recent hot topic of debat on this site in the near past, should we arrest those sympathisers as well?

    I just happen to look at a wide range of work, in my daily work life and I do think JPW"s work is noteworthy otherwise there would not be such a divided camp on his imagery. As all things in life , if you do not agree move on ,I am quite willing to let the courts deal with JPW and I am sure he is as well.
    I am not looking for a fight here , but I think I should be able to look at any work I want without hassel from others for doing so.

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    I think that JPW's work represents a theory that I have about contemporary photography. It's work created strictly for the gallery and/or museum rather than for the general public. Usually, one sees this in the 8 x 10 photograph (that's feet, not inches - and btw, when did an 8 x 10 photographic measurement go from inches to feet. Did I miss something? ) that hangs on a museum wall.

    The art work is created only with the curator/collector in mind, not the general public. So, it can be big, outrageous, deal with very PC causes and generally not be suitable for hanging in the family room. The upside of producing work like this? Curators will pay thousands of dollars for this work, where you and I wouldn't even consider giving it more than a passing glance.
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