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    Quote Originally Posted by tim atherton
    well - him and Roger Fenton...
    Hey, I didn't set the limit on names!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kino
    Hey, I didn't set the limit on names!
    Yeah - but the Brits claim Fenton was the father of photojournalism while the USAians claim Brady... :-)

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    I really matters little either way
    Well Tim,
    I guess you meant to say "It really matters little either way."
    So, to you capturing the image is all that matters?
    That's all there is to being a photographer?
    All of the time, effort, skill, successes and failures that go into learning how to print don't matter to you?
    Are you sure? Why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davetravis
    [I]So, to you capturing the image is all that matters?
    That's all there is to being a photographer?
    All of the time, effort, skill, successes and failures that go into learning how to print don't matter to you?
    Are you sure? Why?
    Well, you had to qualify it - "photography/printers" - which in itself says a lot

    Capturing the image is the most important - without that you have nothing.

    There have been many good and great photographers who have also been good printers and printed there own work.

    There have also been many good and great photographers who haven't.

    Does it matter that Cartier Bresson, Walker Evan's, Salgado, Capa, Misrach and many many more didn't print their own work if they didn't have to? Some of the greatest photographs of all time have been printed by other than the photographer.

    A good photograph - the initial capture as you call it - may possibly be made better by good printing (whether by the photographer or a master printer) - yet it will often also stand up to being printed on cheap newsprint and still remain a good or great photo. But the best printer in the world can't make a good final print out of a bad photograph - silk purse and sows ear time.

    Capa's D-Day photograph or his Dying Spanish Soldier are good examples of this. A kid in high-school could print the D-Day photo on toilet paper and it would still have a strong visceral impact.

    Now, yes some good photos are improved by the printing (either in quality or method/materials) but it really doesn't matter who prints it)

    Some good and great photographers aren't good printers and know that - it simply makes sense to hire a master printer. Some are good printers, but they know their time is far better spent making photographs than printing them - again, so they hire a master printer. But a printer who is a bad photographer is just that...

    So no, it doesn't matter who prints it and yes, the initial photograph - the original matrix - negative or transparency - is primary. Without that you have nothing

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