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    Would anyone here wish that people were not very careful about child pornography?

    Is it easy to view a photo and say "that is just a cute photo taken by a loving parent" or "that photo was taken to stir up the lust of a pedophile" ?
    Well in some cases it would be easy to tell, in other cases it could be very difficult.

    The photographer's decent intent is no guard against a pedophile's obscene excitement.

    It is a difficult issue. I, for one, would choose to have people very aware of the possibility of a child's danger even at the inconvenience to a photographer.
    Last edited by Claire Senft; 11-21-2006 at 06:15 PM. Click to view previous post history. Reason: typo
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    *sigh*

    I have a number of pictures of attractive young women in vinyl and fishnets. For most folks, they are artistic pictures. For some, they are spank-pics, despite my artistic intent.

    Because of how a relatively small number of folks react to my pictures, are they inherrently pornographic?

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    Would Jock Sturges be arrested/hassled today?

    Yes and no.

    We are hyper sensitive to the whole child porno stuff today, but also since he was arrested once and I believe he won his case as well as became world famous, I doubt that he'd be arrested again.

    As for the intent issue that Claire mentioned, I believe "intent" is a basic concept in law. Just because a pedophile likes pictures of naked children, shouldn't mean that people that take them should be prosecuted. Pedophiles probably like picture of clothed children as well. Should we be be held responsible for the deviant actions of others. On the other hand if pictures are taken for the express use by and for pedophile then that is probably a different matter.

    It's a tricky question.

    People photographing children in any sort of sexual situation should of course be taken out and shot.


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    I disagree Mike. They should not be taken out and shot. They should be shot where they were apprehended. Not later..NOW will do nicely.
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    But I think things will return back to normal over time. Anybody remember when satanists were everywhere, from mutilating cows to infiltrarting childcare services and some of the really outrages court cases that followed? Just as the collective guilt of having for decades ignored and not belived in many of the cases of institutional abuse will pass, so will seeing a peadophile behind every other tree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by arigram View Post
    Pedophiles use digital nowadays, ... .
    Hey! let's push for banishing digital on that basis. Arigram, you're a genius!

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Papantoniou View Post
    Of course it would.

    I didn't know it was a lab technician that did the job... what a jerk ! That's why I develop and print myself all the illegal porn stuff I shoot...
    As a Lab tech for 30 years. It's our responsiblity to question images of underaged, underclothed minors. We were told that Children may not understand their rights and feel unable to protest against an adult or understand their situation. We understood when it was art, when it was a family event photo and when it was not.
    We were also tested by local and federal forces. If we didn't alert properly. We, the lab folks, would be fined.
    I was working in another lab on the Bay area when the Sturges incident happened. It rocked our world. We had the feds, city officals and our bosses explain to us the whats and therefores.
    I believe the lab technician was not a "Jerk" I met him. He's was a nice guy. He was doing his job as I would do mine.
    Maybe it is a good thing maybe it's not. The best policy is that you do you're own processing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert8x10 View Post
    I believe the lab technician was not a "Jerk" I met him. He's was a nice guy. He was doing his job as I would do mine.
    If he wasn't, he would be able to understand himself that Sturge's images were not pornographic. And he would understand that by reporting him he'd create too much harm to art and society.

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    One thing for sure: Sturges better not try to post any of his images to the APUG Gallery or else one or two members will leave in a huff! And if that's too soon they can leave in a minute and a huff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by George Papantoniou View Post
    If he wasn't, he would be able to understand himself that Sturge's images were not pornographic.
    That is really not a universal view, Sturges' critical reputation notwithstanding!

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