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    Quote Originally Posted by JBrunner View Post
    Here is the Barry Goldwater Photo website:

    http://www.barrygoldwaterphotographs.com/

    A conservative from the 60's and 70's has little in common with a neocon and the circus going on today. Goldwater would likely have very serious issues with the current administration (but then again who wouldn't, doesn't, unless you have stock in Exxon)

    In fact Barry Goldwater so strongly rejected the Christian Conservative [Damnit now I have to clean my hands and my keyboard!!!] that he refused to endorse them or speak a Republican Conventions. He said you cannot legislate morals and neither should you promise them in politics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Roger Hicks View Post
    Yes, but if you read his 'The Conscience of a Conservative' you soon see that he's a long way from the current cartoon conservative, i.e. he's not a brain-dead redneck born-again Christian warmonger.

    I'm not saying the cartoon variety is the only sort of conservative there is, because Goldwater himself illustrates perfectly that this is not so. I'm just suggesting that the cartoon variety has been on the ascendant lately.

    Surely there must have been a few good Nazi photographers: not Leni, please, because I really believe that she was naive rather than a committed Nazi (and indeed few Nazis apart from Hitler himself appear to have been able to stand her -- an unusually persuasive illustration of the Fuehrerprinzip, perhaps). I do recall seeing other clichéd but still arresting Nazi pictures, though. And of course on the other side of the fence there were quite a few good Communist photographers such as Aleksandr Rodchenko.

    And what about Argentina? The percentage of good photographers from the Argentine has been disproportionately high, but I know little about their political sympathies.

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    Thanks Roger, good thoughts. I'm in the middle of writing a short essay on war photography and some of the paradoxes outlined in Sontag's Regarding the Pain of Others (caution: ugly images) and evaluating it in the light of the sorts of cognitive-evolutionary analysis done by researchers such as Marc Hauser at Harvard.

    Basically, I think that Sontag over-interprets the failures and frustrations of war photography in its apparent inability to halt war altogether. Researchers like Hauser et al, while not studying photography directly, reveal the crucial connection for human morality (which functions at a low level with strong universality, regardless of culture) and the importance of seeing people. Sight, and by extension photography, is (to my delight) a strong moralizing, humanizing force - far stronger than words.

    Conservative/liberal left/right politics aside, I personally cannot think of many (any?) visual artists of any merit who are pro-war, even in the presence of great direct threat (Goya and Picasso come to mind as artists who were clearly threatened but whose images did not advocate violence against their self-declared enemies).

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBrunner View Post
    Here is the Barry Goldwater Photo website:

    http://www.barrygoldwaterphotographs.com/

    A conservative from the 60's and 70's has little in common with a neocon and the circus going on today. Goldwater would likely have very serious issues with the current administration (but then again who wouldn't, doesn't, unless you have stock in Exxon)

    In perusing his photos it is pretty clear that he photographed for the love of it, and I think that Barry Goldwater, Photographer, can stand alone and apart from Barry Goldwater, Politician.

    Kudos to Mr.Goldwater. RIP
    Despite the vastly contrary political views I hold, Barry Goldwater rose to great heights of admiration in my mind when it was he who told Nixon that he had to either resign or face impeachment and conviction. That decision removed any remaining claims of partisanship in the Watergate hearings. It was indeed the "conscience of a conservative" speaking and is the singular event that raised Goldwater from the status of politician to that of statesman.

    One would have to look long and hard and still not find anyone today on the American right who places conscience over ideology the way Goldwater did.

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    Actually, today Barry Goldwater would probably be a moderate Democrat!

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    Argentinian politics are all over the place - from Nazi sympathizers to tree-hugging Vegan enviro-queers. dunno where any of the famous Argentine photographers align though.

    Another interesting political figure (not from the US) who is a big fan of our artform is the King of Thailand. King Bhumibol Adulyadej Rama IX is a serious film shooter, and the last time I saw a pic of him with a camera, he was shooting Contax 35mm SLR gear. Out there on the internet you can surf around and see some examples of his work- he's an average photographer, but he tries. And he still shoots film!

    A bit of gush from a decidedly pro-royal website:

    "King Bhumibol has toted his camera the length and breadth of Thailand as he records the colors of people and places in his Kingdom, however, for studio still life and portrait work, he favors the more dramatic effects of black & white film which he processes and prints himself. If not in his darkroom, His Majesty may be found listening to music or humming a few bars of a potential composition. He is an accomplished saxophonist and clarinetist with a keen enjoyment of jazz especially Dixieland and Blues and an enthusiastic composer of "easy on the ear" melodies. Benny Goodman would have had the King join his band (had not the King been busy doing other things!) and one of His Majesty's compositions, Blue Night, was featured in a Broadway production. As an amateur photographer and musician, many have voiced that King Bhumibol could have been a professional in either."

    From http://www.chiangmai-chiangrai.com/h...ibol_2001.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjorke View Post
    Thanks Roger, good thoughts. I'm in the middle of writing a short essay on war photography and some of the paradoxes outlined in Sontag's Regarding the Pain of Others (caution: ugly images) and evaluating it in the light of the sorts of cognitive-evolutionary analysis done by researchers such as Marc Hauser at Harvard.

    Basically, I think that Sontag over-interprets the failures and frustrations of war photography in its apparent inability to halt war altogether. Researchers like Hauser et al, while not studying photography directly, reveal the crucial connection for human morality (which functions at a low level with strong universality, regardless of culture) and the importance of seeing people. Sight, and by extension photography, is (to my delight) a strong moralizing, humanizing force - far stronger than words.

    Conservative/liberal left/right politics aside, I personally cannot think of many (any?) visual artists of any merit who are pro-war, even in the presence of great direct threat (Goya and Picasso come to mind as artists who were clearly threatened but whose images did not advocate violence against their self-declared enemies).
    Where will the essay appear? I should be very interested to read it. I have to confess that I find Sontag the perfect example of someone who tries to evaluate photography in verbal terms, as a non-photographer, and fails even in those terms. I speak as one to whom words come easier than pictures.

    I shall forthwith examine the Hauser reference.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stever View Post
    Actually, today Barry Goldwater would probably be a moderate Democrat!
    Well, I think you might be getting a little carried away there, but Goldwater would certainly be appalled at what claims to be conservatism today.

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    C6h6o3 is right about Barry Goldwater. I was alive when Barry Goldwater haunted the halls of congress and he was pretty right winged as I remember it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JBrunner View Post
    In perusing his photos it is pretty clear that he photographed for the love of it, and I think that Barry Goldwater, Photographer, can stand alone and apart from Barry Goldwater, Politician.
    Thanks for the link Jason.

    It was not my intent to spark a political debate when I posted this thread; the intent was to show that photography and politics can be separated and are not intrinsincly linked as some suggest, nor is it the private realm of a specific agenda.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alex Hawley View Post
    Thanks for the link Jason.

    It was not my intent to spark a political debate when I posted this thread; the intent was to show that photography and politics can be separated and are not intrinsincly linked as some suggest, nor is it the private realm of a specific agenda.
    I agree, and as I indicated earlier the photographs speak for themselves, as they should. I have a very fine appreciateion for the man's photographic efforts. I like his portraits very much, and I also think "Canyon Snow" is quite nice.

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