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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Heath View Post
    do we accept and value darkroom manipulation more than we do digital manipulation?
    I don't accept any manipulation when it comes to nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roteague View Post
    I don't accept any manipulation when it comes to nature.
    What about Pamela Anderson?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dinesh View Post
    What about Pamela Anderson?
    Gee..... :o Can't argue with that one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roteague View Post
    I don't accept any manipulation when it comes to nature.
    what about colour filters, graduated filters, lens selection, film selection, exposure control, perspective, lens selection, time of day, printing control, subject choice, etc, etc, ......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Heath View Post
    what about colour filters, graduated filters, lens selection, film selection, exposure control, perspective, lens selection, time of day, printing control, subject choice, etc, etc, ......
    I don't use various techniques to manipulate an image, only to make the film see what I see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roteague View Post
    ... to make the film see what I see.
    isn't that a manipulation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Heath View Post
    isn't that a manipulation?
    There is a difference between manipulating the scene to make a scene which isn't real, which I don't do, and controlling your equipment to produce what your eyes see.

    When I look at a scene, I see colors vary brilliantly and satuated - this is the way my eyes (and mind) perceive color. We all see colors and saturation differently - just ask someone who is color blind what they see.



    This scene should be familiar to anyone in Australia. How many times have you seen the very spot done by other photographers? The scene is real, the viewpoint is real, the only thing subjective is its color and saturation. That is a personal perspective.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roteague View Post
    There is a difference between manipulating the scene to make a scene which isn't real, which I don't do, and controlling your equipment to produce what your eyes see.

    When I look at a scene, I see colors vary brilliantly and satuated - this is the way my eyes (and mind) perceive color. We all see colors and saturation differently - just ask someone who is color blind what they see.



    This scene should be familiar to anyone in Australia. How many times have you seen the very spot done by other photographers? The scene is real, the viewpoint is real, the only thing subjective is its color and saturation. That is a personal perspective.
    excellent image Robert

    but i've never seen that place, that view, that way.

    how do i know it's 'real' and not just your interpretation or creation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ray Heath View Post
    excellent image Robert

    but i've never seen that place, that view, that way.

    how do i know it's 'real' and not just your interpretation or creation?
    You only have my word for it.
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    From what I can see he seems to be more of an artist then most landscape photographers. Judging by his use of light and strong lines some of his photos are more then just a pretty picture of rocks and clouds.

    As far as the lighting in that first photo is concerned, aside from a meteorological phenomenon which happened to occur after five days of waiting, I don't see how this photo could be created without artificial light or heavy modification.

    Yours;

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