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Old 06-14-2008, 01:33 PM   #71 (permalink)
 
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Indeed. and by extension I can conclude that Ab Ex and social realism are both valid and therefore both Mortensen and Adams have validity.
Photographically we should all accept and develop those influences that appeal to us most. Others will work with different influences. Mileage will vary
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Old 06-14-2008, 01:36 PM   #72 (permalink)
 
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Imagine what Mortensen might have done with DeGaulle, Stalin, Churchill, and Roosevelt!
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Old 06-14-2008, 01:52 PM   #73 (permalink)
 
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Imagine what Mortensen might have done with DeGaulle, Stalin, Churchill, and Roosevelt!
DeGaulle in bondage?
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Old 06-14-2008, 01:58 PM   #74 (permalink)
 
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Indeed. and by extension I can conclude that Ab Ex and social realism are both valid and therefore both Mortensen and Adams have validity.
Photographically we should all accept and develop those influences that appeal to us most. Others will work with different influences. Mileage will vary
I think my favourite art quote has some relevance here (though I can't remember it exactly, or who said it): "All of art history is our inheritance. We should use it."
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DeGaulle in bondage?
Actually Mortensen was also a quite good portrait photographer with a fair number of Hollywood personalities to his credit. I have a nice portrait of Jean Harlow. As expected his style was quite a bit less contrasty than Hurrell or Bull but every bit as modern.
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Old 06-17-2008, 09:00 PM   #76 (permalink)
 
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One thing to bear in mind considering Mortensen's work was its diversity; he switched easily and often between very flattering commercial portraiture and glamour to risque nudes to landscape, historical allegory, theatrical character studies, sappy story-telling, and rather biting social commentary, (remember "Human Relations, 1932"?)



He also represented Pictorialism in a rather late stage, when the effect was more likely to be from retouching or printing through a texture screen or diffuser than from using a soft lens at the time of the original exposure or using an alternative process, which dominated Pictorialism during the earlier Linked Ring and Photo-Secession years.

It seems the most obvious separation between his approach to the medium and Adams' was Mortensen's eagerness to twist and bend and manipulate any part of the process to achieve his ends. Adams found something pure and almost sacred in the "unadulterated" print.

And Adams' style of "Straight" photography has fallen far out of fashion in the current avant-garde art-photography circles, almost as much as Mortensen did a few decades earlier.

I think I'll stick with my own style of "Straight Pictorialism".

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Old 06-18-2008, 10:54 PM   #77 (permalink)
 
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I think I have almost all of the Mortensen books, save one or two and a couple of editions of more than one title. He was more of a photo illustrator really and at that time that was not a high brow term for "artist" by any stretch. Perhaps that was in some part the rub between himself and the Carmel gang.

In some of his books I would note that he states thing that today would be considered highly subjective as his opinions on these artistic matters were abject fact. That would be about the only fault I would find in his works. He was definitely an artist. That's for sure and a big influence on me as I learned this craft.
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Old 06-19-2008, 12:27 AM   #78 (permalink)
 
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Clearly Mortensen could be seen as a "Post Modern" photographer in regards to current work. His attitude was the negative is merely an intermediary step to the finished and highly manipulated print. I've talked to people who knew him and he was more like a medieval alchemist than photographer. I'm sure he cultivated that image to great business effect. He also had a huge and sweeping sense of the romantic/tragic in terms of subject matter. That was in vogue in Hollywood circles during the 20's and 30's as well. 20 some odd years ago, I saw an ad in Shutterbug selling a 16mm film about Mortensen narrated by actor and art critic Vincent Price. It was $50 bucks American, but I was too poor to buy it. Wish I had! I've never seen nor heard of this film since, but I bet it had a lot of insight into Mortensen's work.
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Old 06-19-2008, 01:38 PM   #79 (permalink)
 
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I saw an ad in Shutterbug selling a 16mm film about Mortensen narrated by actor and art critic Vincent Price. It was $50 bucks American, but I was too poor to buy it. Wish I had! I've never seen nor heard of this film since, but I bet it had a lot of insight into Mortensen's work.
Do you mean this one that Smieglitz referred to? http://www.pictorialism.com/tapem.html I sent him an email but got no reply :-(
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Old 06-27-2008, 12:30 AM   #80 (permalink)
 
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"If you let other people's vision get between the world and your own,you will achieve that extremely common and worthless thing, a pictorial photograph. But if you keep your vision clear. you may make something which is at least a photograph, which has a life of it's own,as a tree or a matchbox has a life of it's own." - Paul Strand


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