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    Help identify these subjects?

    Can anyone help me identify what tribe these two gentlemen are from, and even better, can you verify that the one on the left with the clear face is in women's clothing? Is this a copy of a published image or is this a (relatively) unique original? All I know is that they are of the desert southwest, perhaps Arizona or New Mexico, or even northern Mexico/west Texas.
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    I cannot identify the tribe but the one on the viewer's left is almost certainly a female.

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    Here's one reason why I suspect they are both male - take a look at the hands. If that's a woman on the left, she's got some SERIOUS man-hands.

    Upon doing the fine detail scan for the hands, I can tell this is a reproduction, and a fairly recent one at that - you can detect the offset printing dots.
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    From what I remember from viewing photos in the museums I visited in New Mexico, they look to be Apache, quite possibly Jicarilla tribe (northern NM), I dont think them to be Navajo.
    The one on the left is sitting in an effeminate position, subserviante to her partner. The hands dont mean anything, as the women did all the work in camp, including chopping wood for fires and cooking, and washing clothes at the river, etc.
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    Well, I think they're both women. I have noticed the hands, and would explain them away with hard work...
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    Interesting picture, Scott. And based on their body language, it looks like a man (on the right) and a woman on the left. Just look where their feet are. And both their hands have done a lot of work... strong hands, for sure.

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    It looks like an Edward S. Curtis photo, although others did similar work. See:

    http://googlemini.worldwisdom.com/se...ntend&site=WW2

    As said above, women did hard work then. They didn't sit around and do their nails and watch TV. Growing up in farm country, I remember that many of the older women had similar hands. They could chop wood, pitch hay, and many other things that were necessary to be a true partner on the farm. Hands like that have their own beauty.
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    I think Suzanne is completly right and has a nice point: "Just look where their feet are."
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    If you're inclined to some further detective work, you can contact the following departments at the National Museum of the American Indian (part of the Smithsonian):

    Archives | NMAIarchives@si.edu

    Research | NIN@si.edu

    Maybe a quicker response can be had from the Braun Research Library, part of the Southwest Museum of the American Indian within the Autry Center (Los Angeles):

    rroom@theautry.org

    Good luck.

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    I know little about these, but have sent an inquiry to a couple of people that might be able to help. The suggestion to contact the National Museum of the American Indian is good.

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