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    Just can't see the porn aspect. As far as the dog, just don't see what's sick about that either.

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    Sadly, every Sally Mann thread goes down this well trodden path and ends up locked.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perkeleellinen View Post
    Sadly, every Sally Mann thread goes down this well trodden path and ends up locked.
    No no, dont get it locked, but instead explain why the pictures of her naked underaged children is good photographies, what is it in those that are great? I believe that anyone look at them is just because they are provocative.

    Lets look from another perspective, would you be happy to have your kid photographed like this?

    http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/...060c2fc58d.jpg

    What is it in this photo that are great? Composition, tonal range? Not really. I believe that she got famous only because these kids are under aged, naked and peeing in fron of the camera, nothing else. If you see something else in these images please explain that.

    In the video she compares her really poor results with collodion to Ansel Adams work. In the same sentence she says its just pure luck that she reaches the same level as him. Well, never meet Mr Adams, but from the videos and books I would not say that he left anything to luck, and I doubt that he would even had considered those images with art. Please make an argument why she should be considered a master photographer as Ansel Adams or anyone else at that level.

    At Elysee I saw some large format pictures from the serier Motherland, where she used lenses that did not cover the film area and she also completely overused the movements of the camera. http://www.mexicanpictures.com/headi...-deepsouth.jpg
    http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_023w4hdG0i...eepSouth-1.jpg
    http://artblart.files.wordpress.com/...eries-1992.jpg

    again, I just cant see what is great with these images, what in these images makes her a great photographer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandholm View Post
    No no, dont get it lock, but instead explain why the pictures of her naked underaged children is good photographies, what is it in those that are great?
    I have no idea, I'm indifferent. But I will say this, Sally Mann is a polarising figure and I think the only way to keep the two sides from bickering is to have one thread for her fans and one for her detractors and never the twain shall meet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by perkeleellinen View Post
    I have no idea, I'm indifferent. But I will say this, Sally Mann is a polarising figure and I think the only way to keep the two sides from bickering is to have one thread for her fans and one for her detractors and never the twain shall meet.
    If we do that then no one has the opportunity to change. Living in a cell of one's own construction is a sad way to spend a life. Disagreement is an opportunity to grow: let people discuss and disagree, noisily if necessary. If it gets to be too much for some, they don't have to click on the thread.

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    I don't think anyone wants to change when discussing the moral maze of Sally Mann's work. It's love or hate. Two ossified positions thrashing it out. Hence the inevitable thread lock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sandholm View Post
    In the video she compares her really poor results with collodion to Ansel Adams work. In the same sentence she says its just pure luck that she reaches the same level as him. Well, never meet Mr Adams, but from the videos and books I would not say that he left anything to luck, and I doubt that he would even had considered those images with art. Please make an argument why she should be considered a master photographer as Ansel Adams or anyone else at that level.
    Actually, she didn't. She used the example of Ansel as a complete counterpoint to what she does, which is an antithesis to technical perfection.

    Nothing but history will place her in what significance she has in photography. Your feelings and arguments have no influence in that.

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    It is hard to judge Mann when so much of her published work relies of fortuitous circumstances and experimentation. I wish she would edit more of her work. That said, I plan on buying a print of Candy Cigarette when I have the funds.

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    Thanks for the article. I saw her last show at Gogosian.

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