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    I've edited the title of the thread... indeed, there doesn't seem to be a decision as to whose negatives they are, so I'm not sure dear Uncle Earl has won, just yet!!

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    What I still don't understand is how it even matters. Even if AA made the negatives, there are no "original" prints. Any new print you buy, obviously not made by AA or even by any of his assistants under his supervision, is worth nothing more than a print by whoever is currently printing these things. Regardless of whether or not they are AA's negatives, why would anyone have paid hundreds or thousands of dollars for these new prints? They should have been $12.50 either way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Michael R 1974 View Post
    What I still don't understand is how it even matters. Even if AA made the negatives, there are no "original" prints. Any new print you buy, obviously not made by AA or even by any of his assistants under his supervision, is worth nothing more than a print by whoever is currently printing these things. Regardless of whether or not they are AA's negatives, why would anyone have paid hundreds or thousands of dollars for these new prints? They should have been $12.50 either way.
    Even if the negatives had been without a doubt Adams', authenticated numerous ways and admitted to by the Adams Trust, possessing them does not give the possessor copyright, with the right to produce and sell prints.
    How Norsigian's lawyer (gee, haven't heard from him in a long time, have we) thought he could get around that one while making money off them...sheesh. "...matter of significant public concern."-yeah, right!

    Relatively few of Adams' images have been seen. What would make any of these supposedly "lost" (abandoned, whatever) images worth more than any of the thousands in the archive in Tucson? It was nonsense to begin with.
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    There goes Norsigian's cash cow. What a scam, sham & flim flam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lxdude View Post
    Even if the negatives had been without a doubt Adams', authenticated numerous ways and admitted to by the Adams Trust, possessing them does not give the possessor copyright, with the right to produce and sell prints.
    Agree. I was not referring to the legal issues per se, rather questioning the rationale of anyone who actually bought prints. If Norsigian et al were making any money recently, it would have presumably been coming from print sales. Illegal or not, I simply don't understand the motivation of anyone who bought these things thinking they were worth any money in the first place.

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    I understand, Michael.
    I should have started off my post by saying "In addition," or something like that.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by holmburgers View Post
    There goes Norsigian's cash cow. What a scam, sham & flim flam.
    As I said a while back in a thread on this topic:

    Nigerian, Norsigian, whatever.
    I do use a digital device in my photographic pursuits when necessary.
    When someone rags on me for using film, I use a middle digit, upraised.

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    Resolution on Glass Plates claimed to be by Ansel Adams

    Sorry if this has been posted already...

    It seems that there has been some final word on the glass plates found in Pasadena and sold at a swap meet. This article is from the LA Times...

    http://goo.gl/pN4No
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    two threads merged.

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