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    It seems, like many terminologies, to have been warped in meaning through the years. Now it perhaps just means "I like that print". It's like how anybody vaguely creative is a "genius" now; cake makers, hairdressers, pyrotechnicians...

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    In the middle ages in Europe under the trade guild system a "master" was one who taught indentured apprentices their trade, because only masters were allowed by the guilds to practice the trades.
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    [Yoda voice] You want to be a master? Then teach you I will. But patient you must be. For only a true master knows the power of the dark slide. [End Yoda voice]

    Actually, printing isn't something I care for; my idea is to do the photographing as long as my eyes are good and I'm strong enough to schlepp my gear and travel. I wouldn't mind sending my stuff to a master and seeing what results, because I have zero interest in printing it now. Referrals welcome
    "Only dead fish follow the stream"

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    Like pornography, I know it (and enjoy it ) when I see it. The rest is hyperbolic b.s.

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    Think of the divide between printer/photographer as you would singer/songwriter. Nobody's feelings would be hurt if you said Bernie Taupin wasn't a great singer. A photographer who turns their work over to someone else for finishing can be a master photographer, and might take no insult if not remembered as a master printer.

    Any photographer/printer fills the role of master printer to their own work. It is a challenge that can limit, so Fred Picker worked very hard to make Fine Prints yet he's remembered here less as a photographer. I have always been sensitive to this because I consider myself a printer. I need something worthwhile to print. My photography is driven by the print. But I strive not to print for the print's sake alone. I demand an interesting subject or idea from my photographer-self. My ingrained printer demands a negative that is beautiful.

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    ... on the other hand Paul Caponigro another renowned printer produced some sub standard work shot in the UK in Megaliths...

    Ansel Adams was not a master printer, or at least not until quite late in his life. Early prints are all over the place...
    It's a journey with ups and downs, I wouldn't knock either for a few gaffes along the way. Call me a journeyman printer.

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    Bill,

    To take your music analogy further, most musicians don't master or engineer their own recordings. They play the instrument (or sing the song) but they rely on someone else's expertise to perfect the sound or craft a sonic palette that is what they want. Those skill sets--musician and engineer--are rarely bound up in the same person.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cliveh View Post
    Taking is everything, as once the image is captured; printing or any other manipulation of the negative to print is of infinite variation within time. Only capture rules supreme. Hence HCB should not be considered in the context of printing.
    I think folks like Ansel Adams, John Sexton, Tim Rudman, Eugene Smith and Bruce Barnbaum might disagree. Their interpretation in printing was/is integral to their art.

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    Quote Originally Posted by benjiboy View Post
    In the middle ages in Europe under the trade guild system a "master" was one who taught indentured apprentices their trade, because only masters were allowed by the guilds to practice the trades.
    Wow... so here in Denmark, we are still in the middle ages, as we still have that. (called "Mesterlære" as "Master teaching")..

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    Gandolfi/Emil at least you're in good company in Austria we still have the Meisterlehre (Master Teaching) as well as in Germany and some other european countries from the middle ages.

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